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https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/austria-english-cotton-yarn-imports#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_85	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — TRADE AND COMMERCE. — AUSTRIA (ENGLISH COTTON YARN IMPORTS).	Captain FULLER	English	Spoken	23	26	Will the hon. Gentleman keep before him the possibility of still further restriction now that we have agreed to another loan to Austria?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/tariff-reductions-negotiations#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_103	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — TRADE AND COMMERCE. — TARIFF REDUCTIONS (NEGOTIATIONS).	Mr. MANDER	English	Spoken	45	49	Is the hon. Gentleman aware that the Secretary of State for War and the Minister of Agriculture in an interview with a Danish paper said that they are doubtful of the value of negotiating on those lines, and is that the view of the Government?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/cunard-steamship-company#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_122	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — CUNARD STEAMSHIP COMPANY.	Mr. KIRKWOOD	English	Spoken	38	45	asked the President of the Board of Trade if he is now in a position to state to the House when work is likely to be resumed on the new Cunarder 534 in John Brown's yard in Clydebank?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/officers-promotion#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_147	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — BRITISH ARMY. — OFFICERS (PROMOTION).	Lieut.-Colonel APPLIN	English	Spoken	76	90	asked the Financial Secretary to the War Office whether he is aware of the block in promotion of subalterns to the rank of captain, and that in many regiments there are subalterns of 15, 16 and even 17 years' service, with no immediate prospect of promotion; and whether the War Office will consider the advisability of granting the brevet rank of captain to all officers of over 10 years' service who have qualified for that rank?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/official-secrets-act-officers-arrest#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_159	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — BRITISH ARMY. — OFFICIAL SECRETS ACT (OFFICER'S ARREST).	Mr. COOPER	English	Spoken	43	46	I have no power, and the authorities have no power in the Tower of London, to prevent the general public taking photographs in parts of the Tower to which they are admitted at the hours at which they are permitted to be there.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/marr-college#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_179	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — SCOTLAND. — MARR COLLEGE.	Mr. SKELTON	English	Spoken	72	88	I would refer my hon. and gallant Friend to the reply to his question of the 14th February. The Endowment Commissioners' proposals with reference to the scheme for the future government and management of the Marr Trust, including a provision for the opening of the Marr College within a specified period, are still engaging my right hon. Friend's attention and are receiving the anxious consideration which the magnitude of the endowment demands.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/income-tax#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_192	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE. — INCOME TAX.	Mr. HALL-CAINE	English	Spoken	62	77	asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will consider in his next Budget the advisability of placing parents who apprentice their children to industry in the same position as those parents who under the Finance Act, 1920, Section 21, are en titled to deduction for children over 16 years receiving full-time instruction at any university, college, school, or other educational establishment?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/income-tax#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_193	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE. — INCOME TAX.	Mr. HORE-BELISHA	English	Spoken	31	35	All relevant matters will be taken into consideration in framing the next Budget. But my right hon. Friend cannot of course anticipate what the decision will be on any particular question.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/world-economic-conference#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_210	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — WORLD ECONOMIC CONFERENCE	Mr. MAXTON	English	Spoken	32	36	Perhaps the circumstances will alter between now and the date of the conference. Will the hon. Member be able to tell us exactly how the matter stands before the conference takes place?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/world-economic-conference#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_211	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — WORLD ECONOMIC CONFERENCE	Mr. HORE-BELISHA	English	Spoken	12	15	Yes, Sir. At any given moment my answer will always be precise.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/hearts-of-oak-assurance-company-limited#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_220	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — HEARTS OF OAK ASSURANCE COMPANY, LIMITED.	Mr. BUCHANAN	English	Spoken	23	26	Seeing the importance of this matter, may I ask what steps the Department are taking to see that nothing resembling this occurs again?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/naval-and-military-pensions-and-grants#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_241	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — NAVAL AND MILITARY PENSIONS AND GRANTS.	Mr. JOHNSTONE	English	Spoken	43	49	Is the right hon. and gallant Gentleman aware that no examination has been made on behalf of his Department since 1923, and that since that date an independent medical man has given the opinion that the man's disability is due to war service?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/china-and-japan#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_268	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — CHINA AND JAPAN.	Mr. LANSBURY	English	Spoken	71	81	(by Private Notice) asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether there was any information he could give the House on the situation in Jehol, and the attitude of the Japanese Government towards the proceedings of the League of Nations in regard to the Sino-Japanese dispute; and whether he could also give the House any information as to the proposal for an embargo on arms exported to Japan or China?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/china-and-japan#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_269	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — CHINA AND JAPAN.	Sir J. SIMON	English	Spoken	207	244	As regards the first part of the right hon. Gentleman's question, I have no information to confirm the Press reports that fighting has begun in Jehol. Marshal Chang Hsueh-liang and the Chinese Minister of Finance have paid a visit to Jehol and the former has telegraphed to the Chinese Delegation at Geneva that he has categorical orders from the Central Government to resist. I am not aware of the nature of the instructions which have been sent to the Japanese Delegates at Geneva. As regards the latter part, I would reply that the draft report prepared by the Committee of Nineteen is, I understand, coming before the Special Assembly of the League of Nations this afternoon and we must await the decision of the Assembly in regard to it and the attitude of the parties to the report when adopted. On the subject of embargoes on arms I may point out, in the language employed by President Hoover in a recent message to Congress, that "for one nation alone to engage in such prohibitions while other nations continue to supply arms is a futility." The matter therefore in its wider aspect involves international questions of complexity and difficulty, and I can make no further statement at present.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/china-and-japan#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_270	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — CHINA AND JAPAN.	Mr. LANSBURY	English	Spoken	41	44	Will the Government be prepared to enter into negotiations with the United States and other Governments on the subject of an embargo if war does break out, that is to say if the reports in the Press prove to be true?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/local-government-general-exchequer#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_317	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	LOCAL GOVERNMENT [GENERAL EXCHEQUER CONTRIBUTIONS].	Mr. PRICE	English	Spoken	72	85	Would it be in order to raise the issue mentioned by the Parliamentary Secretary? He stated that a committee was dealing with the question of readjustment, and that this Resolution, if passed, would provide money without prejudice that would be administered in accordance with the report of that committee. Therefore, would it be in order to criticise some of the anomalies that exist in administration so far as the formula is concerned?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/local-government-general-exchequer#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_336	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	LOCAL GOVERNMENT [GENERAL EXCHEQUER CONTRIBUTIONS].	Mr. PRICE	English	Spoken	396	469	I rise to suggest very seriously that this resolution is a further attack on the development of our local services, and I am sure that the local authorities of the country, when they read this Debate to-morrow morning, will be disappointed. When the old percentage grants were replaced by these block grants, the position of the Government was such, that they could have brought in a resolution for more money than this to meet the normal developments which have taken place since the Act was passed. The suggestion of the Noble Lord the Member for Hastings (Lord E. Percy) is that the money implicated in the Bill of 1929 was new money for the local authorities for development purposes, but it did not work out in that way. It did not represent new money, but only the replacement of money which the local authorities had lost, owing to de-rating on the one hand, and the reversal of grants to local authorities for local purposes on the other. In 1928, in many mining areas, whose rateable value is largely ascertained on the basis of colliery output, new collieries were being sunk, which then had no potential output, and the result was that, on the readjustment of the grants, the rates in many of these districts were increased. I have in mind a colliery town in my own constituency which, owing to the operation of the formula in the way that it did, had no spending capacity in 1928. The colliery output there did not commence until 1929. Then came the Derating Act, which reduced the rates of the colliery by 75 per cent. Nevertheless, although the local authority in that district had very little spending capacity before the colliery was sunk, they have had to develop a new mining district, with housing, drainage, schools, sanitation, child welfare, and so on, with the result that their rates are now nearly 20s. in the £. We are now negotiating with the Minister regarding a water scheme for this newly developed mining district, where the rates are so high as a consequence of the administration of the formula, and we are now in the difficulty that the Minister says that this water scheme will be so expensive that he cannot at the moment approve of it. At the moment we have not a proper clean water supply in that area.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/local-government-general-exchequer#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_339	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	LOCAL GOVERNMENT [GENERAL EXCHEQUER CONTRIBUTIONS].	The CHAIRMAN	English	Spoken	21	23	I am afraid that that is a matter which cannot be discussed now. It would involve an alteration in the formula.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/local-government-general-exchequer#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_348	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	LOCAL GOVERNMENT [GENERAL EXCHEQUER CONTRIBUTIONS].	Mr. EDWARD WILLIAMS	English	Spoken	148	173	I did not propose to rise to take part in this Debate but for the speech of the hon. Member for South Croydon (Mr. H. Williams). From the Ruling given at the commencement of the Debate, I wondered whether it would be possible for it to have taken such an enormous width but, from the speech we have just heard, apparently, anything may be said. It is really an insult to a very substantial number of eminent public men in this country that a speech of that kind should be delivered in the House of Commons. I have on my side a man who has been a leader in public affairs in Glamorgan for over 20 years, and I am certain that if my hon. Friend the Member for South Croydon had been representing South Wales and not South Croydon such a speech would not have been delivered.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/local-government-general-exchequer#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_349	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	LOCAL GOVERNMENT [GENERAL EXCHEQUER CONTRIBUTIONS].	Mr. H. WILLIAMS	English	Spoken	48	54	I lost my seat in Reading because I opposed certain proposals of the Liberals. I knew that when I made a certain speech I was turning away certain Liberal votes. I never hesitate to say what I think. I say what I think, and I take the consequences.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/local-government-general-exchequer#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_368	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	LOCAL GOVERNMENT [GENERAL EXCHEQUER CONTRIBUTIONS].	Mr. BEAUMONT	English	Spoken	12	14	Because the money of the people has been wasted on social services.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/local-government-general-exchequer#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_398	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	LOCAL GOVERNMENT [GENERAL EXCHEQUER CONTRIBUTIONS].	Mr. GEOFFREY PETO	English	Spoken	205	253	I am sorry that the hon. Member for Neath (Sir W. Jenkins) did not see his way to withdraw the unwarranted attack on my hon. Friend the Member for Richmond (Sir W. Ray). My hon. Friend was not smiling and is the last man to smile at distress. It is rather a pity that this Debate has got into personalities and into charges made by one party against the other, because it does not help towards a solution of the problem. The question as to whether the Socialist party are extravagant does not really help the situation. Although I should support the hon. Member for Aylesbury (Mr. M. Beaumont) and the hon. Member for South Croydon (Mr. H. Williams) who have been waging this fight, I do not agree with them as to the ground upon which they are fighting it. It is an unfortunate Vote upon which to fight that battle. I am certain, however, that we must have more economy. Everyone will agree that the higher the taxation and the higher the rates the less employment you will get. There is no getting away from that fact; and it should be the duty of everyone to try to reduce taxation and the rates.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/local-government-general-exchequer#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_404	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	LOCAL GOVERNMENT [GENERAL EXCHEQUER CONTRIBUTIONS].	Mr. R. T. EVANS	English	Spoken	260	305	It seems to me that the discussion is beginning to pivot round a rather academic question, as to what is wise and what is not wise expenditure. While I agree with those who object to unnecessary expenditure at a time of financial stringency, I repudiate the charge that all expenditure on social services is waste. When I travel through the derelict valleys of South Wales I realise the enormous waste of human life and of capital assets that is going on. It is easy to say, as has been said frequently, that the "dole" is waste. After all, the money which has been distributed in this way has been used in buying commodities, and there are scores of small traders who long ago would have had to go out of business had it not been for this purchasing power. But my point is this: the Minister of Health ought to have regard to the fact that many new factors have emerged since his formula was framed. The situation has changed, unexpected elements have appeared, and I feel certain that the block grants which have now been announced are not going to ease the situation. I know that rates have been mounting in Glamorganshire and Monmouthshire and other places, and I do not see how the Government are going to make any contribution to the solution of this problem by lopping off the block grant from an area like Carmarthenshire or Breconshire in order to increase it in Glamorgan and Monmouth. I have gone to some trouble in ascertaining the position.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/local-government-general-exchequer#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_422	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	LOCAL GOVERNMENT [GENERAL EXCHEQUER CONTRIBUTIONS].	Mr. G. HALL	English	Spoken	269	325	I desire to support the protest which has been made from this side of the Committee against the amount contained in this Financial Resolution. We were somewhat alarmed at the speeches made by the hon. Member for South Croydon (Mr. H. Williams) and the hon. Member for Aylesbury (Mr. M. Beaumont), particularly that of the hon. Member for Aylesbury, who suggested that the grant should be smaller. The hon. Member for South Croydon made an attack upon the local authorities and complained that they were very extravagant. For some years I have been a member of a local authority. I was a member when the Independents or the anti-Labour members had a majority, and also when the Labour members or Socialists had a majority. I know that my hon. Friend would not accept my opinion as being unbiased, but, if I were asked, I should say that the work of the local authority of which I was a member was much more efficiently carried out when the Socialist party was in a majority than when the anti-Socialists were in power. I can understand the hon. Member for Aylesbury making the kind of speech that he has made seeing that he is a Member of an agricultural Division. He certainly would not make that kind of speech if he had represented an industrial Division. I can understand why he was not elected on the two occasions when he offered himself for an industrial Division if the speech which he made this evening was the kind of speech he made in the Division upon which he endeavoured to foist his services.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/local-government-general-exchequer#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_427	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	LOCAL GOVERNMENT [GENERAL EXCHEQUER CONTRIBUTIONS].	Mr. M. BEAUMONT	English	Spoken	12	13	And you will find that the services are every bit as efficient.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/local-government-general-exchequer#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_437	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	LOCAL GOVERNMENT [GENERAL EXCHEQUER CONTRIBUTIONS].	Mr. CHORLTON	English	Spoken	20	25	I rose some time ago to ask if the right hon. Gentleman would give us a typical Lancashire cotton town.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/transitional-payments-durham#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_474	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	TRANSITIONAL PAYMENTS, DURHAM.	Sir H. BETTERTON	English	Spoken	48	58	I am obliged to the right hon. Gentleman for that statement, but he must not read into my speech more than I said. I must not be taken to admit that this Order-in-Council gives me power to review individual cases, because it gives me nothing of the kind.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/transitional-payments-durham#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_481	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	TRANSITIONAL PAYMENTS, DURHAM.	Mr. BUCHANAN	English	Spoken	40	48	I know Glasgow which has a population of 1,000,000 or more and in Glasgow every person who feels aggrieved against his transitional payment has a right of appeal from the local committee to the main committee— dealing with public assistance.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/transitional-payments-durham#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_483	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	TRANSITIONAL PAYMENTS, DURHAM.	Mr. LAWSON	English	Spoken	46	53	May I intervene to put the hon. Gentleman and also the Minister right on this matter. In fact, any man who wanted to appeal from the public assistance committee did so. I knew of numerous cases of appeals when the public assistance committee was in operation.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/21/transitional-payments-durham#S5CV0274P0_19330221_HOC_489	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	TRANSITIONAL PAYMENTS, DURHAM.	Mr. CURRY	English	Spoken	14	15	It is a matter of common practice to lay down scales for their guidance.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/22/oil-fuel-hydrogenation#S5CV0274P0_19330222_HOC_21	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — ROYAL NAVY. — OIL FUEL (HYDROGENATION).	null	English	Spoken	14	17	always gets the best value out of Devonport and send all these ships there?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/22/oil-fuel-hydrogenation#S5CV0274P0_19330222_HOC_30	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — ROYAL NAVY. — OIL FUEL (HYDROGENATION).	Lieut.-Commander AGNEW	English	Spoken	14	15	Is this programme actually below the standard permitted to Great Britain under existing treaties?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/22/singapore-base#S5CV0274P0_19330222_HOC_57	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — ROYAL NAVY. — SINGAPORE BASE.	Mr. COCKS	English	Spoken	21	22	Will the Government press on with the work as rapidly as possible to deal with the situation in the Far East?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/22/kenya-goldfield#S5CV0274P0_19330222_HOC_63	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — KENYA GOLDFIELD.	Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTER	English	Spoken	22	26	No. I said a licence can be granted for 12 months. If a man wants another licence, he has to apply again.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/22/ceylon#S5CV0274P0_19330222_HOC_72	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — TRADE AND COMMERCE. — CEYLON.	Mr. DONNER	English	Spoken	50	59	asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether, in view of the fall in the value of the yen, the Parliament of Ceylon has taken any action, with the object of preventing the effect of Imperial preference being under mined or nullified, to limit the importations of Japanese goods?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/22/oats-and-oatmeal-products#S5CV0274P0_19330222_HOC_88	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — TRADE AND COMMERCE. — OATS AND OATMEAL PRODUCTS.	Mr. BOOTHBY	English	Spoken	42	48	In view of the fact that there is this discrepancy, will the hon. Member take steps to prohibit the importation of German oatmeal products under export licence and wholesale oats, provided there is a discrepancy of the amount indicated in his answer?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/22/cross-atlantic-flights-floating-fuel#S5CV0274P0_19330222_HOC_110	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — AVIATION. — CROSS-ATLANTIC FLIGHTS (FLOATING FUEL STATION).	Mr. McENTEE	English	Spoken	32	36	Will the hon. Member or his Department take some steps to provide the same facilities for aeroplanes in this country as apparently have been provided in the case mentioned in the question?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/22/india-whipping-bombay#S5CV0274P0_19330222_HOC_148	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — INDIA (WHIPPING, BOMBAY).	Mr. BERNAYS	English	Spoken	47	57	asked the Secretary of State for India if he is aware that it is proposed to introduce into the Bombay Legislative Council a Government Bill which would legalise flogging for political offences; whether there is any age limit proposed; and if he proposes to take any action?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/22/housebreaking-glasgow#S5CV0274P0_19330222_HOC_179	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — SCOTLAND. — HOUSEBREAKING (GLASGOW).	null	English	Spoken	31	59	The numbers are: January, 82; February, 51; March, 79; April, 97; May, 74; June, 72; July, 57; August, 72; September, 57; October, 67; November, 74; December, 80; and January, 1933, 130.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/22/shoplifting-glasgow#S5CV0274P0_19330222_HOC_180	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — SCOTLAND. — SHOPLIFTING (GLASGOW).	Mr. MAXTON	English	Spoken	60	73	(for Mr. McGOVERN) asked the Secretary of State for Scotland the number of persons who have been charged with shoplifting in Glasgow during 1932; the number found guilty; how many were fined or sent to prison; and in how many cases were medical reports of mental trouble accepted as an excuse for these charges, and the names in each case?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/22/reforms-in-india#S5CV0274P0_19330222_HOC_248	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	REFORMS IN INDIA.	Sir A. KNOX	English	Spoken	868	1,035	I was last in India in 1921. I spent 11 years in India and I can talk with the natives of India in their own language. I am not dependent upon conversations with Anglicised Indians or on conversations with the ryots only through the medium of interpreters. If we were to accede to the Amendment of the Noble Lord the Member for Hastings (Lord E. Percy), it would tend to muzzle the House of Commons. We want to bring pressure on the Government and to let the Government know, with all due loyalty, what we feel about India. While we may support the National Government and while I believe a National Government to be necessary in this country, I should throw over the present National Government rather than risk the safety and permanency of our rule in India on which depends the livelihood of 350,000,000 people. I find a great deal more to agree with in the speech of the Mover of the official Opposition Amendment. If you are to bring in these reforms, then surely some time you will have to open the gaol gates and let out the people who are now in prison in India. What is going to be the result? It is impossible, if you are going to inaugurate a great scheme of reforms in India, that you should have 6,000 or 8,000 people in the gaols, and when you free these people what action are they going to take? The only organised party in India is the Congress party, and at the recent Round Table Conference one of the Indian delegates expressed the opinion that, at any rate, in the first two elections the Congress party would be certain to gain a majority. What will happen then? What use are your safeguards going to be? The hon. and learned Member for Swindon (Sir R. Banks) asked whether the safeguards were to be only paper safeguards and I wish to ask the Secretary of State one or two questions about those sagefuards. At a meeting of the Conservative and Unionist Associations on 30th June, 1931, the right hon. Gentleman supported a resolution to the effect that certain essential safeguards must be real and permanent and capable of being exercised by the Imperial Parliament in the interests of this country no less than those of India. The right hon. Gentleman at that meeting added that he took his stand on a dispatch of the late Viceroy in which were enumerated no fewer than 11 subjects on which we should have adequate safeguards. At the Round Table Conference we find that only three subjects have been reserved, namely, defence, external affairs and ecclesiastical affairs. Other such important matters as the defence of minorities, and the prevention of unfair trade discrimination are to be the special responsibility of the Viceroy. What machinery has the Viceroy to deal with those special responsibilities? If you place special responsibilities on the unfortunate man who is going to be in a position of Viceroy when these reforms are introduced, remember that he has only the army on which to depend. I am the last person to depreciate the effect of an army but an army without police is of no use whatever to keep internal order and it is proposed to hand over the police and judiciary to the provincial governments. How is the unfortunate Viceroy, sitting up on a peak in Simla, with the army scattered over India—but chiefly concentrated on the North-West frontier to prepare for that Russian invasion—to get in touch with the army and use the army for the purpose of keeping order. At the Round Table Conference the Secretary of State expressed the hope that these safeguards would only be ultimate safeguards, probably never to be used. We all share that hope but in these times we have to look at the realities and try to find what is likely to happen. Our experience in Ireland does not give us much hope as to what is going to happen in India. What use have the safeguards in Ireland been? I was not in this House at the time, but I would like to recall what was said by the right hon. Gentleman the Member for Carnarvon Boroughs (Mr. Lloyd George) regarding the Irish Agreement. He said that that agreement "made us full of hope." He said, that, by it we won "a deep, abiding and passionate loyalty." He said that as a result of it "our peril will be her danger; our fears will be her anxiety and our victory will be her joy." If you are going into this new resignation of Empire, this abdication of Empire, in that sort of spirit, I only hope that you will have your eyes opened and that you will provide real safeguards and not merely paper safeguards. The hon. Member for Crewe (Mr. Somervell) dealt with the Round Table Conference and with how the idea of Federation arose. He said that the Chairman of the Statutory Commission had written a letter to the Prime Minister asking the Government to have consultation with the representatives of the Princes to see if they could be brought into the picture.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/22/reforms-in-india#S5CV0274P0_19330222_HOC_267	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	REFORMS IN INDIA.	Mr. CHURCHILL	English	Spoken	38	44	Did the right hon. Gentleman say "within the limits of law and order which we regard as essential to transfer"? Are we to understand that a decision has been taken to transfer law and order to the Provinces?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/22/broadcasting#S5CV0274P0_19330222_HOC_304	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	BROADCASTING.	Sir K. WOOD	English	Spoken	15	18	Of course not. Neither did the Deputy Leader of the Opposition make any such suggestion.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/22/broadcasting#S5CV0274P0_19330222_HOC_314	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	BROADCASTING.	Mr. LANSBURY	English	Spoken	10	13	The right hon. Gentleman knows that that was months afterwards.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/hours-of-work#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_15	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — HOURS OF WORK.	Captain PETER MACDONALD	English	Spoken	35	41	Does not my right hon. Friend think that, as the nations were unable to reach agreement on the 48 hours' week, it is absolutely useless to waste so much time discussing a 40 hours' week?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/hours-of-work#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_22	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — HOURS OF WORK.	Mr. CAPORN	English	Spoken	27	32	Is it part of the policy that the 40-hour week should be applied to agriculture? If so, what will be the effect on the price of milk?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/transitional-payments#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_34	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — UNEMPLOYMENT. — TRANSITIONAL PAYMENTS.	Mr. TINKER	English	Spoken	31	37	In view of the unsatisfactory state in which the matter is left, I give notice that on the Debate on unemployment on the Minister's salary I shall bring this matter forward.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/transitional-payments#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_43	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — UNEMPLOYMENT. — TRANSITIONAL PAYMENTS.	Mr. MAXTON	English	Spoken	24	27	Do I understand the right hon. Gentleman to say that Members of this House should make representations to the Commissioners rather than to him?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/transitional-payments#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_44	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — UNEMPLOYMENT. — TRANSITIONAL PAYMENTS.	Sir H. BETTERTON	English	Spoken	35	38	That is a matter which we discussed the other day. The Commissioners will always receive representations on matters such as this, and it is to them and not to me that they should be made.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/transitional-payments#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_46	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — UNEMPLOYMENT. — TRANSITIONAL PAYMENTS.	Sir H. BETTERTON	English	Spoken	23	26	As I explained the other night, I am expressly precluded from dealing with these cases under Act of Parliament passed by this House.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/transitional-payments#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_47	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — UNEMPLOYMENT. — TRANSITIONAL PAYMENTS.	Mr. GODFREY NICHOLSON	English	Spoken	12	14	When does my right hon. Friend expect the report on this matter?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/mining-industby#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_49	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — UNEMPLOYMENT. — MINING INDUSTBY.	Mr. PARKINSON	English	Spoken	36	42	asked the Minister of Labour the number of persons unemployed in the mining industry in the years 1930, 1931 and 1932; the number to whom training was given; and the number successfully transferred to other industries?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/benefit-woekmens-compensation-cases#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_62	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — UNEMPLOYMENT. — BENEFIT (WOEKMEN'S COMPENSATION CASES).	Mr. PRICE	English	Spoken	48	59	asked the Minister of Labour how many cases of transitional payments have been dealt with by the public assistance committee in the county borough of Barnsley from the committee's inauguration to 31st October, 1932; in how many cases have full benefits been allowed; how many cases partial benefit;
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/benefit-woekmens-compensation-cases#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_65	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — UNEMPLOYMENT. — BENEFIT (WOEKMEN'S COMPENSATION CASES).	Sir H. BETTERTON	English	Spoken	22	23	This is a matter within the discretion of authorities and I have no power to issue instructions to them on the subject.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/benefit-woekmens-compensation-cases#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_69	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — UNEMPLOYMENT. — BENEFIT (WOEKMEN'S COMPENSATION CASES).	Sir H. BETTERTON	English	Spoken	20	25	As the reply includes a table of figures I will, if I may, circulate a statement in the OFFICIAL REPORT.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/benefit-woekmens-compensation-cases#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_71	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — UNEMPLOYMENT. — BENEFIT (WOEKMEN'S COMPENSATION CASES).	null	English	Spoken	40	49	the maximum benefit rates, and in 5,124 cases the needs of applicants were held not to justify payment being made, the remaining 56,240 cases being allowed at full rates. These figures include renewals and revisions as well as initial applications.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/doncaster#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_88	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — UNEMPLOYMENT. — DONCASTER.	Sir H. BETTERTON	English	Spoken	22	28	No, Sir. If there is a diminution at Mexborough and not at Doncaster, I am not in a position to explain it.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/public-prosecutions#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_110	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — PUBLIC PROSECUTIONS.	Mr. COCKS	English	Spoken	49	55	asked the Home Secretary whether it is now the practice for the Director of Public Prosecutions to seek his approval before applying for process against individuals under the statute of Edward III. or the equivalent common law provisions; and under what statutory authority he acts in giving such approval?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/public-prosecutions#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_112	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — PUBLIC PROSECUTIONS.	Mr. COCKS	English	Spoken	9	11	Does that mean that these proceedings are political prosecutions?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/madame-vlora-death#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_115	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — MADAME VLORA (DEATH).	Sir J. GILMOUR	English	Spoken	51	65	As this death has been the subject of a coroner's inquest, Mr. Delvina was advised by the Commissioner of Police on the 18th instant that any application for official information concerning the circumstances of Madame Vlora's death should be addressed to the coroner, whose name and address were furnished to him.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/madame-vlora-death#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_116	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — MADAME VLORA (DEATH).	Mr. COCKS	English	Spoken	15	18	Can the right hon. Gentleman say what circumstances led to the death of this lady?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/disabled-ex-service-men-relief-west#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_135	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — POOR LAW — DISABLED EX-SERVICE MEN (RELIEF, WEST RIDING).	Sir H. YOUNG	English	Spoken	65	72	In reply to the question, I must point out that the effect of the regulations in question is not accurately stated in the question. The discretionary power in granting outdoor relief and of applying rules contained in the Determination of Need Act, is excluded from the discretion of guardian committees and reserved for determination by public assistance committees, who consider each case on its merits.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/rates-assessments#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_144	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — RATES (ASSESSMENTS).	Mr. TOUCHE	English	Spoken	46	50	asked the Minister of Health the result of the inquiry by the Central Valuation Committee as to the desirability of issuing a communication to local authorities regarding the assessment of houses upon which work has been done as a result of local campaigns to relieve unemployment?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/rating-and-valuation-act#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_149	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — RATING AND VALUATION ACT.	Sir H. YOUNG	English	Spoken	41	48	I have received representations on the subject, and, if the hon. and gallant Member will consult the answer to which I have referred, he will find that the grounds for the present action are really the interests of the individual ratepayer.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/expenditure-1920-price-levels#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_157	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE. — EXPENDITURE (1920 PRICE LEVELS).	The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER (Mr. Chamberlain)	English	Spoken	37	40	In view of the numerous different elements of which the Budget expenditure is composed I do not think it would be possible to make any useful calculation of the kind suggested by my hon. and gallant Friend.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/great-britain-and-united-states#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_170	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — GREAT BRITAIN AND UNITED STATES (CONVERSATIONS).	Mr. CHAMBERLAIN	English	Spoken	25	32	I would refer my hon. Friend to the answer given yesterday to the hon. Member for Don Valley (Mr. T. Williams) by the Prime Minister.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/ottawa-agreements#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_176	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — TRADE AND COMMERCE. — OTTAWA AGREEMENTS.	The PRIME MINISTER	English	Spoken	29	34	Yes, but for the wider question now raised, as my hon. Friend knows, there is a specially appointed committee which is still sitting and has not finished its work.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/government-policy#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_177	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — TRADE AND COMMERCE. — GOVERNMENT POLICY.	Mr. MABANE	English	Spoken	36	42	asked the Prime Minister whether he can indicate when the work of the Government will turn, as promised, from contraction to scientific expansion; and whether he will further indicate the manner and methods of that expansion?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/most-favoubed-nation-clause#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_189	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — TRADE AND COMMERCE. — MOST-FAVOUBED-NATION CLAUSE.	The PRIME MINISTER	English	Spoken	27	30	That has nothing whatever to do with the question on the Paper, as to whether that view was given. I say that the view was not given.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/south-african-protectorates-appointments#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_223	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — SOUTH AFRICAN PROTECTORATES (APPOINTMENTS).	Colonel WEDGWOOD	English	Spoken	29	35	asked the Secretary of State for Dominion Affairs how the staff of the Protectorates in South Africa is recruited; and whether he will consider appointments from the Colonial Service?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/housing-glasgow#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_237	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — SCOTLAND. — HOUSING, GLASGOW.	The UNDER-SECRETARY of STATE for SCOTLAND (Mr. Skelton)	English	Spoken	14	20	The number of recommendations made since April, 1929, when the practice began, is 1,464.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/bedwas-colliery-monmouthshire-dispute#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_253	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — COAL INDUSTRY. — BEDWAS COLLIERY, MONMOUTHSHIRE (DISPUTE).	Mr. EDWARDS	English	Spoken	168	196	asked the Secretary for Mines whether he is aware that, arising out of a stoppage at the Bedwas Colliery, Monmouthshire, in 1930 to 1931, an official of his Department negotiated a settlement under which work was to be resumed and the men formerly employed by the company were to be reinstated and no fresh employés taken on in the meantime; that from time to time difficulties have arisen owing to the action of the company in not adhering to the agreement; that latterly the company have refused to observe the agreement, with the result that another stoppage has occurred and the company have refused to meet the workmen's representatives; that the company state that they were advised by the Department that they could keep the agreement by reinstating the men and then giving them 14 days' notice; whether this advice was given; and whether he will instruct a representative of the Department to endeavour to secure a settlement of the dispute and observance of the agreement in question?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/bedwas-colliery-monmouthshire-dispute#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_260	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — COAL INDUSTRY. — BEDWAS COLLIERY, MONMOUTHSHIRE (DISPUTE).	Mr. BROWN	English	Spoken	43	46	I should be willing to use any efforts of mine or of my Department in this direction, but the hon. Member will understand that it is not always easy to go down unless there is some desire and some basis for that desire.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/business-of-the-house#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_262	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.	Mr. LANSBURY	English	Spoken	18	21	(by Private Notice) asked the Prime Minister what will be the business of the House for next week?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/standing-committee-a#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_282	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	SELECTION (STANDING COMMITTEES). — STANDING COMMITTEE A.	null	English	Spoken	58	100	Mr. William Nicholson further reported from the Committee; That they had added the following 10 Members to Standing Committee A (in respect of the Visiting Forces (British Commonwealth) Bill [Lords]): Sir Reginald Mitchell Banks, Mr. Duff Cooper, Mr. Dingle Foot, Viscount Knebworth, Mr. Malcolm MacDonald, Captain Peter Macdonald, Major Milner, the Solicitor-General. Mr. Donald Somervell, and Lord Stanley.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/scottish-standing-committee#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_284	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	SELECTION (STANDING COMMITTEES). — SCOTTISH STANDING COMMITTEE.	null	English	Spoken	41	58	Mr. William Nicholson further reported from the Committee; That they had discharged the following Member from the Standing Committee on Scottish Bills (added in respect of the Housing (Financial Provisions (Scotland) Bill): Lord Balniel; and had appointed in substitution: Commander Agnew.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/indian-pay-temporary-abatements-bill#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_288	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Orders of the Day — INDIAN PAY (TEMPORARY ABATEMENTS) BILL.	The UNDER-SECRETARY of STATE for INDIA (Mr. Butler)	English	Spoken	1,582	1,833	I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time. In rising to move the Second Reading of this Bill, I must ask for the indulgence which the House always gives to one who addresses it for the first time in an official capacity. While one can always rely on physical support in the position which I now occupy, I rely more on the moral support which the House always extends to one in my present position. At the end of 1931 Parliament passed the Indian Pay (Temporary Abatements) Act, which authorised a reduction of pay of servants of the Crown in India by 10 per cent. That Act was of temporary operation from the 1st December, 1931, until the 31st March of this year. The purpose of this Bill is to extend the provisions of that Act for a further year, that is, up to the 31st March, 1934, and to reimpose the abatements in pay of the previous Measure at the rate of 5 per cent, instead of 10 per cent. The Bill is a simple Measure and re-enacts with this difference the provisions of the old Act. The reasons for this legislation coming before Parliament were made clear during the previous Debate on this subject at the end of 1931. It may be helpful if I recapitulate them here. Under the Government of India Act, 1919, officers recruited before that date by the Secretary of State in Council were entitled to statutory protection for their pay, that is, it could not be reduced except with the consent of Parliament. Officers in this category are a comparatively small class, but it contains the majority of the highly paid men. It was thought at that time invidious for the Governments in India to impose cuts on their own Services while these men had no cuts. It was therefore necessary to seek the sanction of Parliament to a cut in the pay of officers who enjoy statutory protection in order that a general cut in the pay of the Indian Services might be made. The House will remember the grave financial position in India in 1931. It was very similar to that prevailing in many other countries at the same time. The Secretary of State, when he introduced the previous Measure, made clear that it was for the purposes of a temporary financial emergency, and he caused Civil Service Associations in India to be informed that he had no intention of continuing the cut unless the financial situation made its continuance unavoidable. Unfortunately, though an improvement in the financial position has been shown in India by dint of stern economies and heavy taxation, it is not sufficient to meet the possibility of restoring the whole cut. While the withdrawal of the whole cut is impossible, in pursuance of the undertaking given it is proposed to reimpose a cut at a reduced rate of 5 per cent. instead of 10 per cent. The continuation of the cut is to be accompanied by the withdrawal of certain Income Tax concessions. When the Finance Member introduced the supplementary Finance Act of 1931 in India, he imposed a surcharge on the Income Tax rates which had been included in the previous Finance Act of that year. At that time those who had been subjected to the 10 per cent, cut were let off the Income Tax surcharge which the Finance Member had introduced. It is now proposed to withdraw those concessions from the Services. This helps us to find the money to restore a portion of the cut. It also means that the Income Tax law will now be applied equally to all sections of the community, and that the Civil Services will not receive an exemption as before—a point often referred to by the commercial community in India. Perhaps I shall make clear to the House the effect of this combination of the restoration of part of the cut and the withdrawal of the Income Tax concessions if I take the case of individual officers. The advantage of this method is that it will mean that the Government are putting quite clearly before the House the exact nature of their proposals and not attempting to conceal anything. Let me take the general range of relief which will result to officers as a consequence of the proposal. It will range from approximately 4.3 per cent, for an officer drawing 400 rupees a month to approximately 1 per cent, for an officer drawing from 4,000 rupees to 5,000 rupees a month. If I take one or two individual cases, I can explain it more clearly. Take the case of a man drawing £618 a year under the 1931 Act. He will be a man of four or five years' service in the Indian Civil Service, or from six to seven years in the Indian Police. He will receive relief under our proposals to the extent of 4.2 per cent. Take a typical case of a district officer with 11 years' service, who would be drawing £l,260 a year expressed in English money; he will receive relief under our proposals of 3.2 per cent,, while a commissioner drawing £2,130 a year will receive relief under our proposals amounting to 1.5 per cent. The House will see clearly that this combination of a restoration of a part of the cut and the withdrawal of the Income Tax concessions helps the junior man most. It therefore gives help where it is most needed. At the same time the provisions of our proposals will apply to the personnel of the Army, Air Force and the Royal Indian Marine serving under Indian rules. In so far as the original Act was imposed on the fighting services, the modified cut will now be applied to them, and it will be right to say here that there may be certain individual cases as a result of our proposals which may find themselves not better, but worse off. We wish to say that in those cases adjustments will be made so that no one is actually worse off under the proposals we are now bringing forward. The House may be interested to hear the saving to Indian Revenues under our proposals. The imposition of the 10 per cent, cut brought in approximately £4,500,000. The House must remember that we are dealing in this question with a great many different Budgets—the Central Budget, the Railway Budget and the different Budgets of the Provinces, so that I can give estimates in general terms only. If we take £500,000 as coming in by the withdrawal of the Income Tax concessions, we find that we will save approximately £3,000,000 to Indian Revenues by the proposals we are putting forward if the Provincial Governments follow the lead in this matter. It is with the greatest regret and reluctance that the Government have come to Parliament to ask it to continue the cut at all, and it is very definitely our intention, at the first possible moment, that these cuts shall be removed. India, like most other countries, has to continue to economise by cuts in pay, and we hope that the remission of part of the cut will be of some help to the Services in their special difficulty. Government servants in India find a reduction of their expenditure more difficult than many of us do at home. They have, in many cases, a higher standard of living to keep up, particularly if you take the district officer, to whose particular condition I drew the attention of the House a few minutes ago. They have a public position to keep up. One of the chief problems is, of course, for the married man. He, very often, has to keep up two establishments, and he has to consider the education at home of his children from whom he is very often separated. As one who was educated in these circumstances, I sincerely hope that the investment on my education has been worth while, if it enables me to move a Bill affording some slight relief to a class of the community whom I may be biased in regarding as the very best of our country. Moreover, their cost of living in India has not decreased. Very often important articles for the household cannot be purchased in the internal market, and have to come in after being subjected to high tariffs. Standing as we do on the brink of a great constitutional change in India, I think there are also strong reasons for relieving their financial embarrasments and giving to the Services in India practical proof of Parliamentary control. We hope by the reduction of the cut and by the undertaking that it will be removed at the first possible opportunity, we shall be doing something to set their apprehensions at rest. There may, perhaps, be one further source of satisfaction to the Services. There can be no continuation of the cut beyond 31st March next year, unless a new Bill be introduced in this House. This, in fact, is the best help that, under the exceptionally difficult financial circumstances, we have been able to give the Services in India, and though the help we give may be small, it carries with it our understanding of their apprehensions, our admiration for their conduct in difficult circumstances, and our definite assurance that the trust they place in the protection of Parliament will be, as on this occasion, not in vain.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/indian-pay-temporary-abatements-bill#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_302	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Orders of the Day — INDIAN PAY (TEMPORARY ABATEMENTS) BILL.	Earl WINTERTON	English	Spoken	56	61	My hon. Friend made a suggestion which I do not think can be upheld, and that was that these cuts were being made largely because the Government had at the back of their mind the idea that they would have to provide for the future contingency of increased expenditure as the result of the new Constitution.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/indian-pay-temporary-abatements-bill#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_317	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Orders of the Day — INDIAN PAY (TEMPORARY ABATEMENTS) BILL.	Sir J. WARDLAW-MILNE	English	Spoken	48	60	I do not want the hon. Member to misquote me. What I intended to convey, and what, I think, I did convey, was that in the last few years against a possible fall of revenue in other directions Europeans sojourning in India suffered increased taxation on many things.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/indian-pay-temporary-abatements-bill#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_328	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Orders of the Day — INDIAN PAY (TEMPORARY ABATEMENTS) BILL.	Captain FULLER	English	Spoken	51	58	All I meant to say, I admit I was doing it imperfectly, was this. Is there going to be any cut in the amount which is being paid to these people? Are they sharing in the same drastic schemes of economy which the Government of India is imposing on its servants?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/indian-pay-temporary-abatements-bill#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_336	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Orders of the Day — INDIAN PAY (TEMPORARY ABATEMENTS) BILL.	Sir S. HOARE	English	Spoken	142	165	I accept the correction in the spirit in which it is given. The hon. Member asked me whether there was to be a Budget deficit. He must await the statement in the Budget. I hope there will not be a deficit; I feel sure there will not be. None the less it is necessary to have these cuts. The hon. Member was right when he said that the cuts in this Bill do not amount to a very large sum. They are cuts over the whole field of the Services, and this Bill is an essential part in the cuts generally, which amount to a sum, even with the remission of 5 per cent., of £3,000,000. That is a very considerable sum in the Indian Budget, which is very much less than the huge figures with which we deal in our Budget.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/indian-pay-temporary-abatements-bill#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_342	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Orders of the Day — INDIAN PAY (TEMPORARY ABATEMENTS) BILL.	Sir S. HOARE	English	Spoken	60	68	The imposition of the normal Income Tax will be general but as my hon. Friend the Under-Secretary of State has said, nobody is going to be worse off under the proposals which we are making to the House to-day and the very great majority of officials and serving soldiers in the Army and Air Force will be substantially better off.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/civil-excess-1931#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_369	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Orders of the Day — SUPPLY. — CIVIL (EXCESS), 1931.	Captain AUSTIN HUDSON (Lord of the Treasury)	English	Spoken	215	268	The Committee would probably like a short explanation of this Excess Vote. It is entirely due to the falling off of receipts from judicial fees which we discussed on Monday evening in a different connection, during the Committee stage of the Supplementary Estimates. Bad trade seems to make for less litigation. Whether that is good or bad it is not for me to say, but the actual position is that the deficiency on the Appropriations-in-Aid under this bead is £312 17s. 11d. Savings have been affected, however, amounting to £215 16s. 6d., leaving the sum of £97 1s. 5d. covered by this Vote. An Excess Vote is necessary when the excess does not become apparent until it is too late for a Supplementary Estimate. In this case the receipts, up to December, 1931, were actually £100 higher, and the Department therefore cannot be blamed for having to bring in this Excess Vote. The House has laid down certain procedure in regard to excesses. First, the matter has to be brought before the Public Accounts Committee and that Committee makes a special report to Parliament. The report dealing with this case is now in the Vote Office. We then move the Vote in supply and the sum is included in the Consolidated Fund Bill in March.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/local-government-general-exchequer#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_373	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Orders of the Day — LOCAL GOVERNMENT (GENERAL EXCHEQUER CONTRIBUTIONS).	null	English	Spoken	159	232	Resolution reported: That, in respect of each year in the second fixed grant period— (a) the amounts to be included in the General Exchequer Contribution for England, under paragraph (c) of Sub-section (3) of Section eighty-six of the Local Government Act, 1929, and in the General Exchequer Contribution for Scotland under paragraph (c) of Sub-section (3) of Section fifty-three of the Local Government (Scotland) Act, 1929, shall be respectively the sum of five million three hundred and fifty thousand pounds and the sum of eight hundred and fifty thosuand pounds; and (b) the amounts to be paid under paragraph (b) of Sub-section (1) of Sec- 1967 tion eighty-seven of the Local Government Act, 1929, and under paragraph (b) of Sub-section (1) of Section fifty-four of the Local Government (Scotland) Act, 1929, respectively, out of the Road Fund towards the contributions aforesaid shall be the same as were payable in respect of each year in the first fixed grant period."
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/23/fishing-industry#S5CV0274P0_19330223_HOC_436	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Orders of the Day — FISHING INDUSTRY.	Mr. BURNETT	English	Spoken	1,556	1,897	I have listened with some sympathy to the remarks which fell from the Noble Lady the Member for the Sutton Division of Plymouth (Viscountess Astor), as I sat watching all the points which I was anxious to make in connection with the fishing industry taken by hon. Members one after the other. As I heard my own constituency described and then redescribed, and finally when I heard the fish ration for the Army, Navy and Air Force mentioned, I felt that all hope was gone. Possibly, however, there are one or two things left for me to say. I should like to endorse all that has been said as to the deplorable and grave condition in which the fishing industry stands. Aberdeen is the third largest fishing port in the United Kingdom for white fishing, and in Scotland we supply something like three-quarters of the British caught white fish which is trawled. We have other sections of the trade—the supplying, the marketing and the distribution— and all these sections are equally convinced of the importance of doing what we can for the improvement of the industry and for the welfare of the fishermen who are engaged in it. We have different interests in Aberdeen, but I do not think that it is the case, as has been suggested, that those interests are unreconcilable. They can be reconciled. We have fish from the North Sea—haddock, cod, whiting and plaice—in good quality. We also have fish of coarser quality which comes from Iceland and which is landed principally by German trawlers; that is in the main cod. This fish is sold on the quays of Aberdeen by fish salesmen, and the North Sea fish is for the most part sent down to various centres in the south such as Grimsby, Hull, Billingsgate and Glasgow where it is sold in competition with the Danish boxed fish which is doing so much to depress prices in the fishing industry. There is a strong case for action in this direction on the line suggested by the trawler owners. This Danish fish brings no labour into the country. It is boxed in Denmark, packed in ice there, and consigned to this country, and there is no labour in unloading the ships. It is glutting the market and prices are coming down in consequence. I do not think that anyone can take reasonable objection to a tariff being placed on this fish. I know that it is said on behalf of the fish trade that our men are not supplying exactly the fish they want, that there is an increase in the extra small haddocks, whereas the large haddocks are diminishing. In that case, the remedy lies entirely in our own hands. We can make the mesh of the net larger, and I think that regulations ought to be introduced to that effect so that there will not be the same proportions of small fish. In that way, we would prevent any fear of a depletion of the fishings in future. With regard to the Danish fish, the opinion is fairly unanimous in Aberdeen that an increased tariff should be placed upon it. The fish which we have from Iceland, which is largely cod, is for the export trade. Three-quarters of this fish is sold to the fish curers for export. All this export trade was formerly in the hands of Norway and was sent to South America and the Latin Republics there, and they had complete command of the market. Through improved processes of drying, suited to the climatic conditions we have managed to capture these markets and now we have Brazil, the Argentine, Chile and Peru, and in Europe, Spain, Portugal and Greece. This fish-curing industry gives employment to something like 5,000 men in Aberdeen and something like £400,000 is paid in wages in a year. We have to consider this from the point of view of employment. There are large buildings there and subsidiary industries are carried on such as fish-meal and box-making, and others. I do not think these two things are irreconcilable. If an increased tariff is put on foreign fish we can have a drawback on the export fish which is to go to South America and elsewhere. This drawback has been applied for, and is still under consideration. There is no reason to stop the question of a tariff on Danish fish on that account. With regard to German trawlers which are coming in, we would naturally prefer British trawlers. Some mention has been made of Hull, and it was said that one of our prominent export fish-curers owned trawlers which were working from Hull. I understand that is the case. The trawlers were built in Aberdeen and are now worked from Hull. We would naturally be anxious that these trawlers should come to Aberdeen, but the objection is made on the part of the skippers that the crews belong to Hull and it would not pay them to come to Aberdeen when there are curing works in Hull. Then there is the question whether in Aberdeen we could manage to float a company sufficient to undertake the Iceland waters. That would be the most satisfactory thing, and I hope in time it may be done. In the past that has been tried. This is a very bad time in the present depression. Capital is short and both fish-curers and trawler-owners are in debt to the banks, and the question of getting capital is certainly a difficult problem. It must be remembered that it costs something like £15,000 to build a trawler which could fish the Iceland waters. There was a scheme to build 50 such trawlers at £15,000 each. The question is one which is bound to come up before long. There are other questions which concern the fishing industry which, I think, we ought to take into consideration. The question of reorganising marketing has been mentioned in the report of the Fisheries Committee. The question also of rebuilding our trawlers is bound to be raised in time. There is no doubt that, as far as the trawlers in Aberdeen are concerned, 50 per cent, of them are obsolete. A great many date from before the War. It is impossible to expect us to be able to compete with the trawlers which are being built abroad unless we can manage to build at home. At present there are no trawlers being built. We know that foreign Governments are building new motor trawlers with Diesel engines, of 300 tons, very fast and economical to work and with brine-freezing apparatus. Brine freezing will be a very important thing in future. It is being studied in Aberdeen and is practised elsewhere, particularly abroad, but it is a costly thing to put into a ship. It means that fish can be preserved for something like three months and remain quite fresh. I have tasted fish which has been kept three months in this way, and I should never have known that it was not freshly caught. Brine-freezing would be a matter of very great importance in connection with Iceland fisheries. It would mean that fish caught within the first five days could be kept fresh. As things stand at present that fish is useless for anything except fish manure, and it is sold for about £1 a ton, whereas if it were kept fresh it might be sold at £20 a ton. The installation of brine-freezing might revolutionise the catching of fish. There is no doubt that foreign trawlers are being installed with it now, and what we want is some help in the matter, when capital is so difficult to get. The Government has been guaranteeing loans for Austria and giving, through the banks, credit to farmers, and I hope that consideration will be given to the question of credits to fishermen. We want to do what we can for the primary industries, particularly for fishing, where it is not only a question of the food but of the defence of the country. It is a difficult time just now when many people who were eating fish before are not doing so now. We want to increase the demand. Through the unemployed a certain amount can be done, and that has been suggested already. I hope we can do something on the lines suggested by the hon. Member for East Aberdeen (Mr. Boothby), something through the Army, Navy and Air Force, by including either fried fish or herrings, or whatever it may be, in their rations. That is a matter which should be considered. Then the public authorities, too, might be encouraged in hospitals and elsewhere to supply more fish than they do. Home-killed meat is dear, but home fish is not, and an increase in the demand in that direction might do a great deal to help our fisheries. I think I have dealt with my main points which have not been touched upon by other speakers and I do hope that something will be done by the Government for the improvement of fisheries—something along the lines recommended by the committee which recently reported. I feel that with an industry such as this, on which so many men are dependent, we ought to do what we can to insure a livelihood for the fishermen on our coasts.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/24/preamble#S5CV0274P0_19330224_HOC_1	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Preamble	null	English	Spoken	13	20	The House met at Eleven of the Clock, Mr. SPEAKER in the Chair.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/24/home-and-empire-settlement-bill#S5CV0274P0_19330224_HOC_12	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Orders of the Day — HOME AND EMPIRE SETTLEMENT BILL.	Mr. LUNN	English	Spoken	1,624	1,889	It was only in 1922 that Parliament decided that out of national taxation we should contribute to Empire settlement. I have often heard the Overseas Settlement Committee attacked in the House. That body was included as the machinery under the Act of 1922, and it has been a wonderful machine. Everything that the hon. Member for Windsor has said as to the committees that had been set up, the work of the voluntary societies, the agreements that have been arrived at, the regulations that have been made, the convenience of migrants, the aftercare of the settlers, have all been arranged under the wise guidance of the Overseas Settlement Committee in this country. I think they deserve a tribute for the way in which they have knitted together this country and the Dominions; they have succeeded as no other body in this country has done. But this principle is set aside in this Bill, and we have to find all the money for both home and Empire settlement. I do not know of a committee which has gone into the question of migration which has recommended the waiving of the fifty-fifty principle entirely in Empire settlement. Even the Economic Committee on Migration, which sat for many months, and reported in 1931, said they favoured the retention of the fifty-fifty principle except for passages and equipment carried out by voluntary societies. I have always objected to setting aside entirely the fifty-fifty principle. If the Dominions are to take what has been described as "the pick of the basket" from this country, select our best men and women for the Dominions, they must do something to assist. At the same time I have no objection to this matter being further examined. What is the position to-day? It is no use hiding our heads in the sand. Nothing much is likely to be done in the matter of migration to the Dominions for many years to come. I think the observations of the Chancellor of the Exchequer as to the position of unemployment in 10 years' time might be applied quite easily to the case of migration. Canada has considerable unemployment and no desire for immigrants, and the same observation applies to Australia—those already settled in Australia encounter many difficulties—and New Zealand has not for runny years been welcoming people from this country. We heard from the Secretary of State for the Dominions the other day that, unfortunately, we had reached such a state of affairs that there was a balance of 26,034 persons who had returned to this country from the Dominions. We have experienced nothing like that for many years, and I do not want to see that state of affairs continue. At the same time I know that there are many more of our people in the Dominions who would like to return here if they had the facilities to do so, though I agree, also, that if only conditions in the Dominions were better there are many people in this country who would like to go out. I doubt, however, whether there will ever be the same necessity for human labour overseas as there has been in the past. With the mechanisation of agriculture in Canada they will not need the same number of people. Moreover, there is this other point, which was noted by the Economic Advisory Committee.. When economic conditions do improve, it may be that it will not then be to our economic advantage to encourage our people to go overseas and to spend money on assisting to send them. In fact, the question is so far one for the future that it is not of immediate moment. At the same time, as I have said, I have no objection to inquiries being undertaken, and if possible I would like steps to be taken to lay down the procedure for the future. The main provision of this Bill deals with a matter which has largely been left out of consideration up to now, and that is settlement on the land at home. I very much agree with the waiving of the fifty-fifty principle in that connection, and support the Bill entirely so far as that is concerned. I have no objection to a board being set up to deal with this side of the problem, and I must add that it is very refreshing to note the inconsistencies of Members of Parliament. They object to Socialism, and would vote against the principles of the Labour party, but they come here to-day to ask us to agree to the setting up of a national board controlled by a Government Department and with a Secretary of State and with every penny Of the money derived from national taxation. I would like to see that principle extended in many other directions, but I am astonished, when I read the names on the back of the Bill, to see that some of the Tories have approved such a principle. I suppose that when it is a question of applying their own particular nostrum they are prepared to accept other opinions. I believe the driving power of a board would be required to deal with this problem, and I welcome the idea, and would like to see the Government accept the Bill. I would like to see that part of it providing for the settlement of people on the land at home carried into law. We have more than 3,000,000 unemployed in this country, and there is no possible hope for them to get back to work. Under the present system, it is impossible, I am sure, for this or any other Government to find work for the whole of the unemployed. It will be noted that I say "under the present system". Yesterday the Minister of Labour, in answer to a question by the hon. Member for Wigan (Mr. Parkinson) inquiring the number of miners out of work in 1930, 1931 and 1932 gave these figures: 1930, 219,230; 1931, 297,624; and 1932, 355,325. That is an increase of nearly 140,000 unemployed in the mining industry, and there seems to be no possibility of those men ever finding work again in their own industry. Many of them have a connection with the land, because their forbears came from the land, and they would welcome any opportunity which would guarantee them the possibility of earning a livelihood on the land. The Labour party have urged on this House scores of times the need to settle our people on the land at home, and I have heard the right hon. Member for Carnarvon Boroughs (Mr. Lloyd George) advocating the same thing on many occasions recently. When we remember that we have to purchase two-thirds of our food supplies from overseas it is time we did give consideration to the question of putting our own people to work to produce food in this country, and we support the Bill in the hope that something may be done along those lines. The late Labour Government passed a Land Settlement Bill which was designed to place thousands of unemployed on the land, after proper training, and with equipment. We also passed an Agricultural Marketing Bill. if we are to place more men and their families on the land we shall need more houses, mote cooperation among those who are settled on the land and means provided for them to market their produce. There is no reason, in my opinion, why we could not double the production of our food supplies. We have, adjacent to large towns, thousand of acres of land which are now idle, and they are near to the very best markets if only the people could be got on the land, and, as has been said by the mover of this Bill, English land is as good as any land in Europe: I ask, therefore, why are there so many unemployed and so much idle land, and nothing is done? Here is the opportunity for a Bill to be considered in Committee, and perhaps something done to settle thousands of our people on the land at home. I am not going to deal with the cost. There is a provision in the Bill as to how far it is possible to go, and I would support that, because I believe we must make a beginning. But I may point out that we have paid out since the War more than £1,000,000,000 in unemployment benefit and on relief schemes. I ask, would it not be better to use the money in the future to provide suitable work at least for many thousands? If we could settle people on the land at home, it would give a fillip to many other industries, and it would increase the purchasing power for all kinds of manufactured goods of which we make the best in this country. I do not suggest that we are going to cure unemployment, but it would do something to help a great number if the subject were tackled courageously by bringing idle lands into use for idle hands to produce more of the necessities of life at home, and to give to these unemployed a real and an active interest in life. I support this Bill, and hope that we shall have an opportunity of considering it in Committee and making it still better, if it is possible, by amendment. As far as the second part of the Bill is concerned, I believe it is an immediate possibility, and we should see that there is an opportunity provided for the settlement of thousands of unemployed who are anxious for the opportunity to earn their livelihood, and who will take advantage of it if such an opportunity is given.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/27/railway-orders#S5CV0275P0_19330227_HOC_5	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — INDIA. — RAILWAY ORDERS.	Sir NAIRNE STEWART SANDEMAN	English	Spoken	19	23	Would it not be cheaper to subsidise the companies who are making these engines instead of paying the dole?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/27/south-american-states-disputes#S5CV0275P0_19330227_HOC_61	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — TRADE AND COMMERCE. — SOUTH AMERICAN STATES (DISPUTES).	Sir J. SIMON	English	Spoken	242	296	It is difficult within the scope of an oral reply to give the hon. Member full details as to the present position in these two disputes. Briefly, the facts are as follow: In the case of the dispute between Bolivia and Paraguay, fighting in the Chaco territory, the sovereignty over which has been in doubt for many years, brake out in June last. Efforts have been made by the Conference of Neutrals at Washington, by the neighbouring Powers, and by the League of Nations to effect a settlement. Unfortunately no success has attended these efforts so far, but fresh proposals are now, it is understood, under consideration between the Governments of the neighbouring countries. As regards the case of Peru and Colombia, Leticia and Tarapaca, places in the territory ceded to Colombia by the 1922 treaty between those two countries, were occupied by Peruvian civilians from the Department of Loreto in September last. Tarapaca was retaken by a Colombian naval expedition on the 15th of February. No serious hostilities appear to have occurred since then, though diplomatic relations between the two countries have been broken off. The Colombian Government have referred the whole question to the League of Nations under the terms of Article XV, and the Council of the League has requested a small committee to endeavour, in collaboration with the representatives of the two parties, to effect a settlement by conciliation in accordance with paragraph 3 of the above-mentioned Article.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/27/milk-reorganisation-commission#S5CV0275P0_19330227_HOC_70	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — AGRICULTURE. — MILK REORGANISATION COMMISSION.	Sir P. HURD	English	Spoken	41	46	asked the Minister of Agriculture whether the Government propose to adopt the recommendations of the Milk Reorganisation Commission; what legislation will be required; and whether that legislation will be enacted before August when negotiations between producers and distributors must take place?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/27/housing-rural-workers-act#S5CV0275P0_19330227_HOC_93	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — POST OFFICE. — HOUSING (RURAL WORKERS) ACT.	Sir P. HURD	English	Spoken	35	37	Does the Ministry not think that the time has come when a conference of the leading county councils and other housing authorities should be summoned in order to help forward the use of this Act?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/27/work-schemes#S5CV0275P0_19330227_HOC_116	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — UNEMPLOYMENT. — WORK SCHEMES.	The PRIME MINISTER	English	Spoken	14	17	Certainly, but not the experts who are officials of the Department and Government servants.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/27/work-schemes#S5CV0275P0_19330227_HOC_117	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — UNEMPLOYMENT. — WORK SCHEMES.	Mr. MANDER	English	Spoken	26	30	Surely, if the Government are really serious in the matter they might consider placing at the disposal of Members facilities for discussing their plans with experts?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/27/income-tax-co-operative-societies#S5CV0275P0_19330227_HOC_122	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — UNEMPLOYMENT. — INCOME TAX (CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETIES).	Sir W. DAVISON	English	Spoken	67	76	Will my hon. Friend say whether there is any precedent for a report of a committee of this kind being secretly communicated, before submission to this House and the public, to one of the interested parties; and is he aware that the "Daily Herald" had an article on Friday last stating that they had seen the report and that it was not satisfactory to the cooperative societies?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/27/lapsed-insurance-policies#S5CV0275P0_19330227_HOC_137	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — UNEMPLOYMENT. — LAPSED INSURANCE POLICIES.	Mr. HORE-BELISHA	English	Spoken	26	41	I would refer the hon. Member to the answer given to the hon. Baronet the Member for Newcastle-upon-Tyne, East (Sir R. Aske) on 20th December last.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/27/lapsed-insurance-policies#S5CV0275P0_19330227_HOC_140	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — UNEMPLOYMENT. — LAPSED INSURANCE POLICIES.	Mr. WILLIAMS	English	Spoken	36	42	In view of the fact that insurance workers are on strike as a protest against the attitude of the insurance company, what action, if any, are the Treasury likely to take to help these poor policy-holders?
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/27/questions-to-ministers#S5CV0275P0_19330227_HOC_144	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Oral Answers to Questions — UNEMPLOYMENT. — QUESTIONS TO MINISTERS.	Mr. SPEAKER	English	Spoken	18	20	I have often known of hon. Members who had questions on the Paper being absent on a Monday.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/27/supply#S5CV0275P0_19330227_HOC_170	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Orders of the Day — SUPPLY.	Mr. LANSBURY	English	Spoken	378	445	It is very difficult, on a subject like this, to deal with a running fire of commentary by hon. and right hon. Members. Returning to the statement I made, I really cannot see that there is anything extraordinary about it. It was that the people of the United States and the United States Government would make their own decision in this matter, and I have no doubt that they will make it on right lines. I do not think that they will want to import arms into Japan, any more than I hope our Government will, but I am asking this afternoon, quite definitely, that the Government shall prohibit the export of arms to Japan. I am asking that they shall use the power which the Order-in-Council passed in May, 1931, gives them of holding up the export licences. It will not need any Act of Parliament. They have power at the moment either to grant the licence or to withhold it. We also ask that there shall be an embargo on finance and credit. We believe that if these two things were done, then neither Japan nor any other Government could carry on a war. It is said, "Why should we do this alone?" It is said by some people, "Well, if you do it, the Japanese, contrary to your belief, will have power to continue fighting against the Chinese, or, alternatively, if we do not export arms, other nations will, and if we do not allow our factories to work for the supply of these weapons of destruction, other nations will garner a very rich harvest." I have heard that argument a good many times, but I should like to put it to the House that it is a very unworthy argument indeed, and one for which we, at least, ought not to stand. If a thing is right, it is right; if a thing is wrong, it is wrong. Here is Japan brought to the bar of the greatest court in the world, and found guilty, not by people without experience, but by the statesmen of the world, and we ask that, instead of our Government waiting, they should take action now, and say that from this country no arms of any kind should go—
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/27/supply#S5CV0275P0_19330227_HOC_193	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Orders of the Day — SUPPLY.	Mr. JONES	English	Spoken	32	38	Well, it is a document which has been referred to in periodicals of some substance and some authority, but if it has been repudiated I am not concerned to develop the point.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1933/feb/27/supply#S5CV0275P0_19330227_HOC_195	UK Hansard – House of Commons	Open Government	Pleias	Open Parliament Licence v3.0	1,933	Orders of the Day — SUPPLY.	Mr. JONES	English	Spoken	433	510	I merely refer to it because it was said to have been presented in the year 1927 and the speech made by the right hon. Gentleman the Member for West Birmingham as Foreign Secretary to which I have already referred was delivered some 12 months later. Whether the document was authentic or not I would like hon. Members to observe its proposals and to note how extraordinarily close to the proposals in that alleged document have been the developments in Manchuria and that part of the world. Whoever conceived the document, whether it was General Tanaka or not, this is quite certain—that the author of that docu ment anticipated with extraordinary clarity, the development of events in Manchuria and Mongolia. It is therefore, shall we say, a striking coincidence that fact has been so closely associated with alleged fiction. We come to-night to discuss our own attitude in regard to this business, and I am bound to say again that one is entirely in accord with the deserved tributes of admiration which have been paid to Lord Lytton and his fellow members of the Commission for a document which, whatever may happen as a consequence of it, will undoubtedly remain one of the great documents of history. The "Times" newspaper referred to it as a document worthy of the closest study, and the League's Draft Report issued unanimously by the Committee of Nineteen is based largely, indeed almost entirely, on considerations arising from the Lytton Report. I think it was quite right to describe that Report as it has been described as a temperate, just and well-considered document. The Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, who I am sorry has been obliged to leave the Committee—I do not make any complain at all upon that score—seemed to invite the Commitee to take the view that he had taken a consistent attitude throughout in regard to this problem. I do not know what the right hon. and learned Gentleman has been doing in private, but I do know what he has been doing in public, and I recall to the Committee the simple fact that when the Foreign Secretary spoke at Geneva on the Lytton Report the greater part of his speech was devoted, not to an examination of Japan's activities, but to an examination of Chinese demerits. So satisfactory was the speech of the Foreign Secretary to the Japanese delegate at Geneva that that gentleman said that the British Foreign Secretary had stated the Japanese case more completely in three-quarters of an hour than he had been able to do in eight days.

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Will the hon. Gentleman keep before him the possibility of still further restriction now that we have agreed to another loan to Austria?

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Is the hon. Gentleman aware that the Secretary of State for War and the Minister of Agriculture in an interview with a Danish paper said that they are doubtful of the value of negotiating on those lines, and is that the view of the Government?

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asked the President of the Board of Trade if he is now in a position to state to the House when work is likely to be resumed on the new Cunarder 534 in John Brown's yard in Clydebank?

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I have no power, and the authorities have no power in the Tower of London, to prevent the general public taking photographs in parts of the Tower to which they are admitted at the hours at which they are permitted to be there.

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I would refer my hon. and gallant Friend to the reply to his question of the 14th February. The Endowment Commissioners' proposals with reference to the scheme for the future government and management of the Marr Trust, including a provision for the opening of the Marr College within a specified period, are still engaging my right hon. Friend's attention and are receiving the anxious consideration which the magnitude of the endowment demands.

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asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will consider in his next Budget the advisability of placing parents who apprentice their children to industry in the same position as those parents who under the Finance Act, 1920, Section 21, are en titled to deduction for children over 16 years receiving full-time instruction at any university, college, school, or other educational establishment?

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All relevant matters will be taken into consideration in framing the next Budget. But my right hon. Friend cannot of course anticipate what the decision will be on any particular question.

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Perhaps the circumstances will alter between now and the date of the conference. Will the hon. Member be able to tell us exactly how the matter stands before the conference takes place?

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Yes, Sir. At any given moment my answer will always be precise.

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Seeing the importance of this matter, may I ask what steps the Department are taking to see that nothing resembling this occurs again?

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Is the right hon. and gallant Gentleman aware that no examination has been made on behalf of his Department since 1923, and that since that date an independent medical man has given the opinion that the man's disability is due to war service?

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(by Private Notice) asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether there was any information he could give the House on the situation in Jehol, and the attitude of the Japanese Government towards the proceedings of the League of Nations in regard to the Sino-Japanese dispute; and whether he could also give the House any information as to the proposal for an embargo on arms exported to Japan or China?

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As regards the first part of the right hon. Gentleman's question, I have no information to confirm the Press reports that fighting has begun in Jehol. Marshal Chang Hsueh-liang and the Chinese Minister of Finance have paid a visit to Jehol and the former has telegraphed to the Chinese Delegation at Geneva that he has categorical orders from the Central Government to resist. I am not aware of the nature of the instructions which have been sent to the Japanese Delegates at Geneva. As regards the latter part, I would reply that the draft report prepared by the Committee of Nineteen is, I understand, coming before the Special Assembly of the League of Nations this afternoon and we must await the decision of the Assembly in regard to it and the attitude of the parties to the report when adopted. On the subject of embargoes on arms I may point out, in the language employed by President Hoover in a recent message to Congress, that "for one nation alone to engage in such prohibitions while other nations continue to supply arms is a futility." The matter therefore in its wider aspect involves international questions of complexity and difficulty, and I can make no further statement at present.

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Will the Government be prepared to enter into negotiations with the United States and other Governments on the subject of an embargo if war does break out, that is to say if the reports in the Press prove to be true?

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Would it be in order to raise the issue mentioned by the Parliamentary Secretary? He stated that a committee was dealing with the question of readjustment, and that this Resolution, if passed, would provide money without prejudice that would be administered in accordance with the report of that committee. Therefore, would it be in order to criticise some of the anomalies that exist in administration so far as the formula is concerned?

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I rise to suggest very seriously that this resolution is a further attack on the development of our local services, and I am sure that the local authorities of the country, when they read this Debate to-morrow morning, will be disappointed. When the old percentage grants were replaced by these block grants, the position of the Government was such, that they could have brought in a resolution for more money than this to meet the normal developments which have taken place since the Act was passed. The suggestion of the Noble Lord the Member for Hastings (Lord E. Percy) is that the money implicated in the Bill of 1929 was new money for the local authorities for development purposes, but it did not work out in that way. It did not represent new money, but only the replacement of money which the local authorities had lost, owing to de-rating on the one hand, and the reversal of grants to local authorities for local purposes on the other. In 1928, in many mining areas, whose rateable value is largely ascertained on the basis of colliery output, new collieries were being sunk, which then had no potential output, and the result was that, on the readjustment of the grants, the rates in many of these districts were increased. I have in mind a colliery town in my own constituency which, owing to the operation of the formula in the way that it did, had no spending capacity in 1928. The colliery output there did not commence until 1929. Then came the Derating Act, which reduced the rates of the colliery by 75 per cent. Nevertheless, although the local authority in that district had very little spending capacity before the colliery was sunk, they have had to develop a new mining district, with housing, drainage, schools, sanitation, child welfare, and so on, with the result that their rates are now nearly 20s. in the £. We are now negotiating with the Minister regarding a water scheme for this newly developed mining district, where the rates are so high as a consequence of the administration of the formula, and we are now in the difficulty that the Minister says that this water scheme will be so expensive that he cannot at the moment approve of it. At the moment we have not a proper clean water supply in that area.

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I am afraid that that is a matter which cannot be discussed now. It would involve an alteration in the formula.

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I did not propose to rise to take part in this Debate but for the speech of the hon. Member for South Croydon (Mr. H. Williams). From the Ruling given at the commencement of the Debate, I wondered whether it would be possible for it to have taken such an enormous width but, from the speech we have just heard, apparently, anything may be said. It is really an insult to a very substantial number of eminent public men in this country that a speech of that kind should be delivered in the House of Commons. I have on my side a man who has been a leader in public affairs in Glamorgan for over 20 years, and I am certain that if my hon. Friend the Member for South Croydon had been representing South Wales and not South Croydon such a speech would not have been delivered.

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I lost my seat in Reading because I opposed certain proposals of the Liberals. I knew that when I made a certain speech I was turning away certain Liberal votes. I never hesitate to say what I think. I say what I think, and I take the consequences.

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Because the money of the people has been wasted on social services.

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I am sorry that the hon. Member for Neath (Sir W. Jenkins) did not see his way to withdraw the unwarranted attack on my hon. Friend the Member for Richmond (Sir W. Ray). My hon. Friend was not smiling and is the last man to smile at distress. It is rather a pity that this Debate has got into personalities and into charges made by one party against the other, because it does not help towards a solution of the problem. The question as to whether the Socialist party are extravagant does not really help the situation. Although I should support the hon. Member for Aylesbury (Mr. M. Beaumont) and the hon. Member for South Croydon (Mr. H. Williams) who have been waging this fight, I do not agree with them as to the ground upon which they are fighting it. It is an unfortunate Vote upon which to fight that battle. I am certain, however, that we must have more economy. Everyone will agree that the higher the taxation and the higher the rates the less employment you will get. There is no getting away from that fact; and it should be the duty of everyone to try to reduce taxation and the rates.

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It seems to me that the discussion is beginning to pivot round a rather academic question, as to what is wise and what is not wise expenditure. While I agree with those who object to unnecessary expenditure at a time of financial stringency, I repudiate the charge that all expenditure on social services is waste. When I travel through the derelict valleys of South Wales I realise the enormous waste of human life and of capital assets that is going on. It is easy to say, as has been said frequently, that the "dole" is waste. After all, the money which has been distributed in this way has been used in buying commodities, and there are scores of small traders who long ago would have had to go out of business had it not been for this purchasing power. But my point is this: the Minister of Health ought to have regard to the fact that many new factors have emerged since his formula was framed. The situation has changed, unexpected elements have appeared, and I feel certain that the block grants which have now been announced are not going to ease the situation. I know that rates have been mounting in Glamorganshire and Monmouthshire and other places, and I do not see how the Government are going to make any contribution to the solution of this problem by lopping off the block grant from an area like Carmarthenshire or Breconshire in order to increase it in Glamorgan and Monmouth. I have gone to some trouble in ascertaining the position.

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I desire to support the protest which has been made from this side of the Committee against the amount contained in this Financial Resolution. We were somewhat alarmed at the speeches made by the hon. Member for South Croydon (Mr. H. Williams) and the hon. Member for Aylesbury (Mr. M. Beaumont), particularly that of the hon. Member for Aylesbury, who suggested that the grant should be smaller. The hon. Member for South Croydon made an attack upon the local authorities and complained that they were very extravagant. For some years I have been a member of a local authority. I was a member when the Independents or the anti-Labour members had a majority, and also when the Labour members or Socialists had a majority. I know that my hon. Friend would not accept my opinion as being unbiased, but, if I were asked, I should say that the work of the local authority of which I was a member was much more efficiently carried out when the Socialist party was in a majority than when the anti-Socialists were in power. I can understand the hon. Member for Aylesbury making the kind of speech that he has made seeing that he is a Member of an agricultural Division. He certainly would not make that kind of speech if he had represented an industrial Division. I can understand why he was not elected on the two occasions when he offered himself for an industrial Division if the speech which he made this evening was the kind of speech he made in the Division upon which he endeavoured to foist his services.

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LOCAL GOVERNMENT [GENERAL EXCHEQUER CONTRIBUTIONS].

Mr. M. BEAUMONT

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And you will find that the services are every bit as efficient.

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LOCAL GOVERNMENT [GENERAL EXCHEQUER CONTRIBUTIONS].

Mr. CHORLTON

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I rose some time ago to ask if the right hon. Gentleman would give us a typical Lancashire cotton town.

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TRANSITIONAL PAYMENTS, DURHAM.

Sir H. BETTERTON

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I am obliged to the right hon. Gentleman for that statement, but he must not read into my speech more than I said. I must not be taken to admit that this Order-in-Council gives me power to review individual cases, because it gives me nothing of the kind.

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TRANSITIONAL PAYMENTS, DURHAM.

Mr. BUCHANAN

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I know Glasgow which has a population of 1,000,000 or more and in Glasgow every person who feels aggrieved against his transitional payment has a right of appeal from the local committee to the main committee— dealing with public assistance.

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Mr. LAWSON

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May I intervene to put the hon. Gentleman and also the Minister right on this matter. In fact, any man who wanted to appeal from the public assistance committee did so. I knew of numerous cases of appeals when the public assistance committee was in operation.

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TRANSITIONAL PAYMENTS, DURHAM.

Mr. CURRY

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It is a matter of common practice to lay down scales for their guidance.

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Oral Answers to Questions — ROYAL NAVY. — OIL FUEL (HYDROGENATION).

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always gets the best value out of Devonport and send all these ships there?

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Oral Answers to Questions — ROYAL NAVY. — OIL FUEL (HYDROGENATION).

Lieut.-Commander AGNEW

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Is this programme actually below the standard permitted to Great Britain under existing treaties?

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Oral Answers to Questions — ROYAL NAVY. — SINGAPORE BASE.

Mr. COCKS

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Will the Government press on with the work as rapidly as possible to deal with the situation in the Far East?

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Oral Answers to Questions — KENYA GOLDFIELD.

Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTER

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No. I said a licence can be granted for 12 months. If a man wants another licence, he has to apply again.

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Oral Answers to Questions — TRADE AND COMMERCE. — CEYLON.

Mr. DONNER

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asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether, in view of the fall in the value of the yen, the Parliament of Ceylon has taken any action, with the object of preventing the effect of Imperial preference being under mined or nullified, to limit the importations of Japanese goods?

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Oral Answers to Questions — TRADE AND COMMERCE. — OATS AND OATMEAL PRODUCTS.

Mr. BOOTHBY

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In view of the fact that there is this discrepancy, will the hon. Member take steps to prohibit the importation of German oatmeal products under export licence and wholesale oats, provided there is a discrepancy of the amount indicated in his answer?

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Oral Answers to Questions — AVIATION. — CROSS-ATLANTIC FLIGHTS (FLOATING FUEL STATION).

Mr. McENTEE

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Will the hon. Member or his Department take some steps to provide the same facilities for aeroplanes in this country as apparently have been provided in the case mentioned in the question?

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Oral Answers to Questions — INDIA (WHIPPING, BOMBAY).

Mr. BERNAYS

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asked the Secretary of State for India if he is aware that it is proposed to introduce into the Bombay Legislative Council a Government Bill which would legalise flogging for political offences; whether there is any age limit proposed; and if he proposes to take any action?

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Oral Answers to Questions — SCOTLAND. — HOUSEBREAKING (GLASGOW).

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The numbers are: January, 82; February, 51; March, 79; April, 97; May, 74; June, 72; July, 57; August, 72; September, 57; October, 67; November, 74; December, 80; and January, 1933, 130.

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Oral Answers to Questions — SCOTLAND. — SHOPLIFTING (GLASGOW).

Mr. MAXTON

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(for Mr. McGOVERN) asked the Secretary of State for Scotland the number of persons who have been charged with shoplifting in Glasgow during 1932; the number found guilty; how many were fined or sent to prison; and in how many cases were medical reports of mental trouble accepted as an excuse for these charges, and the names in each case?

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REFORMS IN INDIA.

Sir A. KNOX

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I was last in India in 1921. I spent 11 years in India and I can talk with the natives of India in their own language. I am not dependent upon conversations with Anglicised Indians or on conversations with the ryots only through the medium of interpreters. If we were to accede to the Amendment of the Noble Lord the Member for Hastings (Lord E. Percy), it would tend to muzzle the House of Commons. We want to bring pressure on the Government and to let the Government know, with all due loyalty, what we feel about India. While we may support the National Government and while I believe a National Government to be necessary in this country, I should throw over the present National Government rather than risk the safety and permanency of our rule in India on which depends the livelihood of 350,000,000 people. I find a great deal more to agree with in the speech of the Mover of the official Opposition Amendment. If you are to bring in these reforms, then surely some time you will have to open the gaol gates and let out the people who are now in prison in India. What is going to be the result? It is impossible, if you are going to inaugurate a great scheme of reforms in India, that you should have 6,000 or 8,000 people in the gaols, and when you free these people what action are they going to take? The only organised party in India is the Congress party, and at the recent Round Table Conference one of the Indian delegates expressed the opinion that, at any rate, in the first two elections the Congress party would be certain to gain a majority. What will happen then? What use are your safeguards going to be? The hon. and learned Member for Swindon (Sir R. Banks) asked whether the safeguards were to be only paper safeguards and I wish to ask the Secretary of State one or two questions about those sagefuards. At a meeting of the Conservative and Unionist Associations on 30th June, 1931, the right hon. Gentleman supported a resolution to the effect that certain essential safeguards must be real and permanent and capable of being exercised by the Imperial Parliament in the interests of this country no less than those of India. The right hon. Gentleman at that meeting added that he took his stand on a dispatch of the late Viceroy in which were enumerated no fewer than 11 subjects on which we should have adequate safeguards. At the Round Table Conference we find that only three subjects have been reserved, namely, defence, external affairs and ecclesiastical affairs. Other such important matters as the defence of minorities, and the prevention of unfair trade discrimination are to be the special responsibility of the Viceroy. What machinery has the Viceroy to deal with those special responsibilities? If you place special responsibilities on the unfortunate man who is going to be in a position of Viceroy when these reforms are introduced, remember that he has only the army on which to depend. I am the last person to depreciate the effect of an army but an army without police is of no use whatever to keep internal order and it is proposed to hand over the police and judiciary to the provincial governments. How is the unfortunate Viceroy, sitting up on a peak in Simla, with the army scattered over India—but chiefly concentrated on the North-West frontier to prepare for that Russian invasion—to get in touch with the army and use the army for the purpose of keeping order. At the Round Table Conference the Secretary of State expressed the hope that these safeguards would only be ultimate safeguards, probably never to be used. We all share that hope but in these times we have to look at the realities and try to find what is likely to happen. Our experience in Ireland does not give us much hope as to what is going to happen in India. What use have the safeguards in Ireland been? I was not in this House at the time, but I would like to recall what was said by the right hon. Gentleman the Member for Carnarvon Boroughs (Mr. Lloyd George) regarding the Irish Agreement. He said that that agreement "made us full of hope." He said, that, by it we won "a deep, abiding and passionate loyalty." He said that as a result of it "our peril will be her danger; our fears will be her anxiety and our victory will be her joy." If you are going into this new resignation of Empire, this abdication of Empire, in that sort of spirit, I only hope that you will have your eyes opened and that you will provide real safeguards and not merely paper safeguards. The hon. Member for Crewe (Mr. Somervell) dealt with the Round Table Conference and with how the idea of Federation arose. He said that the Chairman of the Statutory Commission had written a letter to the Prime Minister asking the Government to have consultation with the representatives of the Princes to see if they could be brought into the picture.

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Mr. CHURCHILL

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Did the right hon. Gentleman say "within the limits of law and order which we regard as essential to transfer"? Are we to understand that a decision has been taken to transfer law and order to the Provinces?

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Sir K. WOOD

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Of course not. Neither did the Deputy Leader of the Opposition make any such suggestion.

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BROADCASTING.

Mr. LANSBURY

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The right hon. Gentleman knows that that was months afterwards.

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Oral Answers to Questions — HOURS OF WORK.

Captain PETER MACDONALD

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Does not my right hon. Friend think that, as the nations were unable to reach agreement on the 48 hours' week, it is absolutely useless to waste so much time discussing a 40 hours' week?

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Oral Answers to Questions — HOURS OF WORK.

Mr. CAPORN

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Is it part of the policy that the 40-hour week should be applied to agriculture? If so, what will be the effect on the price of milk?

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Oral Answers to Questions — UNEMPLOYMENT. — TRANSITIONAL PAYMENTS.

Mr. TINKER

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In view of the unsatisfactory state in which the matter is left, I give notice that on the Debate on unemployment on the Minister's salary I shall bring this matter forward.

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Oral Answers to Questions — UNEMPLOYMENT. — TRANSITIONAL PAYMENTS.

Mr. MAXTON

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Do I understand the right hon. Gentleman to say that Members of this House should make representations to the Commissioners rather than to him?

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Sir H. BETTERTON

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That is a matter which we discussed the other day. The Commissioners will always receive representations on matters such as this, and it is to them and not to me that they should be made.

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Sir H. BETTERTON

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As I explained the other night, I am expressly precluded from dealing with these cases under Act of Parliament passed by this House.

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Oral Answers to Questions — UNEMPLOYMENT. — TRANSITIONAL PAYMENTS.

Mr. GODFREY NICHOLSON

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When does my right hon. Friend expect the report on this matter?

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Oral Answers to Questions — UNEMPLOYMENT. — MINING INDUSTBY.

Mr. PARKINSON

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asked the Minister of Labour the number of persons unemployed in the mining industry in the years 1930, 1931 and 1932; the number to whom training was given; and the number successfully transferred to other industries?

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Oral Answers to Questions — UNEMPLOYMENT. — BENEFIT (WOEKMEN'S COMPENSATION CASES).

Mr. PRICE

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asked the Minister of Labour how many cases of transitional payments have been dealt with by the public assistance committee in the county borough of Barnsley from the committee's inauguration to 31st October, 1932; in how many cases have full benefits been allowed; how many cases partial benefit;

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Sir H. BETTERTON

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This is a matter within the discretion of authorities and I have no power to issue instructions to them on the subject.

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Oral Answers to Questions — UNEMPLOYMENT. — BENEFIT (WOEKMEN'S COMPENSATION CASES).

Sir H. BETTERTON

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As the reply includes a table of figures I will, if I may, circulate a statement in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

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Oral Answers to Questions — UNEMPLOYMENT. — BENEFIT (WOEKMEN'S COMPENSATION CASES).

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the maximum benefit rates, and in 5,124 cases the needs of applicants were held not to justify payment being made, the remaining 56,240 cases being allowed at full rates. These figures include renewals and revisions as well as initial applications.

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Oral Answers to Questions — UNEMPLOYMENT. — DONCASTER.

Sir H. BETTERTON

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No, Sir. If there is a diminution at Mexborough and not at Doncaster, I am not in a position to explain it.

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Oral Answers to Questions — PUBLIC PROSECUTIONS.

Mr. COCKS

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asked the Home Secretary whether it is now the practice for the Director of Public Prosecutions to seek his approval before applying for process against individuals under the statute of Edward III. or the equivalent common law provisions; and under what statutory authority he acts in giving such approval?

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Oral Answers to Questions — PUBLIC PROSECUTIONS.

Mr. COCKS

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Does that mean that these proceedings are political prosecutions?

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Oral Answers to Questions — MADAME VLORA (DEATH).

Sir J. GILMOUR

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As this death has been the subject of a coroner's inquest, Mr. Delvina was advised by the Commissioner of Police on the 18th instant that any application for official information concerning the circumstances of Madame Vlora's death should be addressed to the coroner, whose name and address were furnished to him.

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Oral Answers to Questions — MADAME VLORA (DEATH).

Mr. COCKS

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Can the right hon. Gentleman say what circumstances led to the death of this lady?

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Oral Answers to Questions — POOR LAW — DISABLED EX-SERVICE MEN (RELIEF, WEST RIDING).

Sir H. YOUNG

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In reply to the question, I must point out that the effect of the regulations in question is not accurately stated in the question. The discretionary power in granting outdoor relief and of applying rules contained in the Determination of Need Act, is excluded from the discretion of guardian committees and reserved for determination by public assistance committees, who consider each case on its merits.

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Oral Answers to Questions — RATES (ASSESSMENTS).

Mr. TOUCHE

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asked the Minister of Health the result of the inquiry by the Central Valuation Committee as to the desirability of issuing a communication to local authorities regarding the assessment of houses upon which work has been done as a result of local campaigns to relieve unemployment?

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Oral Answers to Questions — RATING AND VALUATION ACT.

Sir H. YOUNG

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I have received representations on the subject, and, if the hon. and gallant Member will consult the answer to which I have referred, he will find that the grounds for the present action are really the interests of the individual ratepayer.

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Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE. — EXPENDITURE (1920 PRICE LEVELS).

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER (Mr. Chamberlain)

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In view of the numerous different elements of which the Budget expenditure is composed I do not think it would be possible to make any useful calculation of the kind suggested by my hon. and gallant Friend.

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I would refer my hon. Friend to the answer given yesterday to the hon. Member for Don Valley (Mr. T. Williams) by the Prime Minister.

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Yes, but for the wider question now raised, as my hon. Friend knows, there is a specially appointed committee which is still sitting and has not finished its work.

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asked the Prime Minister whether he can indicate when the work of the Government will turn, as promised, from contraction to scientific expansion; and whether he will further indicate the manner and methods of that expansion?

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That has nothing whatever to do with the question on the Paper, as to whether that view was given. I say that the view was not given.

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asked the Secretary of State for Dominion Affairs how the staff of the Protectorates in South Africa is recruited; and whether he will consider appointments from the Colonial Service?

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The number of recommendations made since April, 1929, when the practice began, is 1,464.

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Oral Answers to Questions — COAL INDUSTRY. — BEDWAS COLLIERY, MONMOUTHSHIRE (DISPUTE).

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asked the Secretary for Mines whether he is aware that, arising out of a stoppage at the Bedwas Colliery, Monmouthshire, in 1930 to 1931, an official of his Department negotiated a settlement under which work was to be resumed and the men formerly employed by the company were to be reinstated and no fresh employés taken on in the meantime; that from time to time difficulties have arisen owing to the action of the company in not adhering to the agreement; that latterly the company have refused to observe the agreement, with the result that another stoppage has occurred and the company have refused to meet the workmen's representatives; that the company state that they were advised by the Department that they could keep the agreement by reinstating the men and then giving them 14 days' notice; whether this advice was given; and whether he will instruct a representative of the Department to endeavour to secure a settlement of the dispute and observance of the agreement in question?

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I should be willing to use any efforts of mine or of my Department in this direction, but the hon. Member will understand that it is not always easy to go down unless there is some desire and some basis for that desire.

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(by Private Notice) asked the Prime Minister what will be the business of the House for next week?

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Mr. William Nicholson further reported from the Committee; That they had added the following 10 Members to Standing Committee A (in respect of the Visiting Forces (British Commonwealth) Bill [Lords]): Sir Reginald Mitchell Banks, Mr. Duff Cooper, Mr. Dingle Foot, Viscount Knebworth, Mr. Malcolm MacDonald, Captain Peter Macdonald, Major Milner, the Solicitor-General. Mr. Donald Somervell, and Lord Stanley.

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Mr. William Nicholson further reported from the Committee; That they had discharged the following Member from the Standing Committee on Scottish Bills (added in respect of the Housing (Financial Provisions (Scotland) Bill): Lord Balniel; and had appointed in substitution: Commander Agnew.

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Orders of the Day — INDIAN PAY (TEMPORARY ABATEMENTS) BILL.

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I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time. In rising to move the Second Reading of this Bill, I must ask for the indulgence which the House always gives to one who addresses it for the first time in an official capacity. While one can always rely on physical support in the position which I now occupy, I rely more on the moral support which the House always extends to one in my present position. At the end of 1931 Parliament passed the Indian Pay (Temporary Abatements) Act, which authorised a reduction of pay of servants of the Crown in India by 10 per cent. That Act was of temporary operation from the 1st December, 1931, until the 31st March of this year. The purpose of this Bill is to extend the provisions of that Act for a further year, that is, up to the 31st March, 1934, and to reimpose the abatements in pay of the previous Measure at the rate of 5 per cent, instead of 10 per cent. The Bill is a simple Measure and re-enacts with this difference the provisions of the old Act. The reasons for this legislation coming before Parliament were made clear during the previous Debate on this subject at the end of 1931. It may be helpful if I recapitulate them here. Under the Government of India Act, 1919, officers recruited before that date by the Secretary of State in Council were entitled to statutory protection for their pay, that is, it could not be reduced except with the consent of Parliament. Officers in this category are a comparatively small class, but it contains the majority of the highly paid men. It was thought at that time invidious for the Governments in India to impose cuts on their own Services while these men had no cuts. It was therefore necessary to seek the sanction of Parliament to a cut in the pay of officers who enjoy statutory protection in order that a general cut in the pay of the Indian Services might be made. The House will remember the grave financial position in India in 1931. It was very similar to that prevailing in many other countries at the same time. The Secretary of State, when he introduced the previous Measure, made clear that it was for the purposes of a temporary financial emergency, and he caused Civil Service Associations in India to be informed that he had no intention of continuing the cut unless the financial situation made its continuance unavoidable. Unfortunately, though an improvement in the financial position has been shown in India by dint of stern economies and heavy taxation, it is not sufficient to meet the possibility of restoring the whole cut. While the withdrawal of the whole cut is impossible, in pursuance of the undertaking given it is proposed to reimpose a cut at a reduced rate of 5 per cent. instead of 10 per cent. The continuation of the cut is to be accompanied by the withdrawal of certain Income Tax concessions. When the Finance Member introduced the supplementary Finance Act of 1931 in India, he imposed a surcharge on the Income Tax rates which had been included in the previous Finance Act of that year. At that time those who had been subjected to the 10 per cent, cut were let off the Income Tax surcharge which the Finance Member had introduced. It is now proposed to withdraw those concessions from the Services. This helps us to find the money to restore a portion of the cut. It also means that the Income Tax law will now be applied equally to all sections of the community, and that the Civil Services will not receive an exemption as before—a point often referred to by the commercial community in India. Perhaps I shall make clear to the House the effect of this combination of the restoration of part of the cut and the withdrawal of the Income Tax concessions if I take the case of individual officers. The advantage of this method is that it will mean that the Government are putting quite clearly before the House the exact nature of their proposals and not attempting to conceal anything. Let me take the general range of relief which will result to officers as a consequence of the proposal. It will range from approximately 4.3 per cent, for an officer drawing 400 rupees a month to approximately 1 per cent, for an officer drawing from 4,000 rupees to 5,000 rupees a month. If I take one or two individual cases, I can explain it more clearly. Take the case of a man drawing £618 a year under the 1931 Act. He will be a man of four or five years' service in the Indian Civil Service, or from six to seven years in the Indian Police. He will receive relief under our proposals to the extent of 4.2 per cent. Take a typical case of a district officer with 11 years' service, who would be drawing £l,260 a year expressed in English money; he will receive relief under our proposals of 3.2 per cent,, while a commissioner drawing £2,130 a year will receive relief under our proposals amounting to 1.5 per cent. The House will see clearly that this combination of a restoration of a part of the cut and the withdrawal of the Income Tax concessions helps the junior man most. It therefore gives help where it is most needed. At the same time the provisions of our proposals will apply to the personnel of the Army, Air Force and the Royal Indian Marine serving under Indian rules. In so far as the original Act was imposed on the fighting services, the modified cut will now be applied to them, and it will be right to say here that there may be certain individual cases as a result of our proposals which may find themselves not better, but worse off. We wish to say that in those cases adjustments will be made so that no one is actually worse off under the proposals we are now bringing forward. The House may be interested to hear the saving to Indian Revenues under our proposals. The imposition of the 10 per cent, cut brought in approximately £4,500,000. The House must remember that we are dealing in this question with a great many different Budgets—the Central Budget, the Railway Budget and the different Budgets of the Provinces, so that I can give estimates in general terms only. If we take £500,000 as coming in by the withdrawal of the Income Tax concessions, we find that we will save approximately £3,000,000 to Indian Revenues by the proposals we are putting forward if the Provincial Governments follow the lead in this matter. It is with the greatest regret and reluctance that the Government have come to Parliament to ask it to continue the cut at all, and it is very definitely our intention, at the first possible moment, that these cuts shall be removed. India, like most other countries, has to continue to economise by cuts in pay, and we hope that the remission of part of the cut will be of some help to the Services in their special difficulty. Government servants in India find a reduction of their expenditure more difficult than many of us do at home. They have, in many cases, a higher standard of living to keep up, particularly if you take the district officer, to whose particular condition I drew the attention of the House a few minutes ago. They have a public position to keep up. One of the chief problems is, of course, for the married man. He, very often, has to keep up two establishments, and he has to consider the education at home of his children from whom he is very often separated. As one who was educated in these circumstances, I sincerely hope that the investment on my education has been worth while, if it enables me to move a Bill affording some slight relief to a class of the community whom I may be biased in regarding as the very best of our country. Moreover, their cost of living in India has not decreased. Very often important articles for the household cannot be purchased in the internal market, and have to come in after being subjected to high tariffs. Standing as we do on the brink of a great constitutional change in India, I think there are also strong reasons for relieving their financial embarrasments and giving to the Services in India practical proof of Parliamentary control. We hope by the reduction of the cut and by the undertaking that it will be removed at the first possible opportunity, we shall be doing something to set their apprehensions at rest. There may, perhaps, be one further source of satisfaction to the Services. There can be no continuation of the cut beyond 31st March next year, unless a new Bill be introduced in this House. This, in fact, is the best help that, under the exceptionally difficult financial circumstances, we have been able to give the Services in India, and though the help we give may be small, it carries with it our understanding of their apprehensions, our admiration for their conduct in difficult circumstances, and our definite assurance that the trust they place in the protection of Parliament will be, as on this occasion, not in vain.

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My hon. Friend made a suggestion which I do not think can be upheld, and that was that these cuts were being made largely because the Government had at the back of their mind the idea that they would have to provide for the future contingency of increased expenditure as the result of the new Constitution.

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I do not want the hon. Member to misquote me. What I intended to convey, and what, I think, I did convey, was that in the last few years against a possible fall of revenue in other directions Europeans sojourning in India suffered increased taxation on many things.

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Orders of the Day — INDIAN PAY (TEMPORARY ABATEMENTS) BILL.

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All I meant to say, I admit I was doing it imperfectly, was this. Is there going to be any cut in the amount which is being paid to these people? Are they sharing in the same drastic schemes of economy which the Government of India is imposing on its servants?

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Orders of the Day — INDIAN PAY (TEMPORARY ABATEMENTS) BILL.

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I accept the correction in the spirit in which it is given. The hon. Member asked me whether there was to be a Budget deficit. He must await the statement in the Budget. I hope there will not be a deficit; I feel sure there will not be. None the less it is necessary to have these cuts. The hon. Member was right when he said that the cuts in this Bill do not amount to a very large sum. They are cuts over the whole field of the Services, and this Bill is an essential part in the cuts generally, which amount to a sum, even with the remission of 5 per cent., of £3,000,000. That is a very considerable sum in the Indian Budget, which is very much less than the huge figures with which we deal in our Budget.

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Sir S. HOARE

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The imposition of the normal Income Tax will be general but as my hon. Friend the Under-Secretary of State has said, nobody is going to be worse off under the proposals which we are making to the House to-day and the very great majority of officials and serving soldiers in the Army and Air Force will be substantially better off.

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The Committee would probably like a short explanation of this Excess Vote. It is entirely due to the falling off of receipts from judicial fees which we discussed on Monday evening in a different connection, during the Committee stage of the Supplementary Estimates. Bad trade seems to make for less litigation. Whether that is good or bad it is not for me to say, but the actual position is that the deficiency on the Appropriations-in-Aid under this bead is £312 17s. 11d. Savings have been affected, however, amounting to £215 16s. 6d., leaving the sum of £97 1s. 5d. covered by this Vote. An Excess Vote is necessary when the excess does not become apparent until it is too late for a Supplementary Estimate. In this case the receipts, up to December, 1931, were actually £100 higher, and the Department therefore cannot be blamed for having to bring in this Excess Vote. The House has laid down certain procedure in regard to excesses. First, the matter has to be brought before the Public Accounts Committee and that Committee makes a special report to Parliament. The report dealing with this case is now in the Vote Office. We then move the Vote in supply and the sum is included in the Consolidated Fund Bill in March.

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Resolution reported: That, in respect of each year in the second fixed grant period— (a) the amounts to be included in the General Exchequer Contribution for England, under paragraph (c) of Sub-section (3) of Section eighty-six of the Local Government Act, 1929, and in the General Exchequer Contribution for Scotland under paragraph (c) of Sub-section (3) of Section fifty-three of the Local Government (Scotland) Act, 1929, shall be respectively the sum of five million three hundred and fifty thousand pounds and the sum of eight hundred and fifty thosuand pounds; and (b) the amounts to be paid under paragraph (b) of Sub-section (1) of Sec- 1967 tion eighty-seven of the Local Government Act, 1929, and under paragraph (b) of Sub-section (1) of Section fifty-four of the Local Government (Scotland) Act, 1929, respectively, out of the Road Fund towards the contributions aforesaid shall be the same as were payable in respect of each year in the first fixed grant period."

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I have listened with some sympathy to the remarks which fell from the Noble Lady the Member for the Sutton Division of Plymouth (Viscountess Astor), as I sat watching all the points which I was anxious to make in connection with the fishing industry taken by hon. Members one after the other. As I heard my own constituency described and then redescribed, and finally when I heard the fish ration for the Army, Navy and Air Force mentioned, I felt that all hope was gone. Possibly, however, there are one or two things left for me to say. I should like to endorse all that has been said as to the deplorable and grave condition in which the fishing industry stands. Aberdeen is the third largest fishing port in the United Kingdom for white fishing, and in Scotland we supply something like three-quarters of the British caught white fish which is trawled. We have other sections of the trade—the supplying, the marketing and the distribution— and all these sections are equally convinced of the importance of doing what we can for the improvement of the industry and for the welfare of the fishermen who are engaged in it. We have different interests in Aberdeen, but I do not think that it is the case, as has been suggested, that those interests are unreconcilable. They can be reconciled. We have fish from the North Sea—haddock, cod, whiting and plaice—in good quality. We also have fish of coarser quality which comes from Iceland and which is landed principally by German trawlers; that is in the main cod. This fish is sold on the quays of Aberdeen by fish salesmen, and the North Sea fish is for the most part sent down to various centres in the south such as Grimsby, Hull, Billingsgate and Glasgow where it is sold in competition with the Danish boxed fish which is doing so much to depress prices in the fishing industry. There is a strong case for action in this direction on the line suggested by the trawler owners. This Danish fish brings no labour into the country. It is boxed in Denmark, packed in ice there, and consigned to this country, and there is no labour in unloading the ships. It is glutting the market and prices are coming down in consequence. I do not think that anyone can take reasonable objection to a tariff being placed on this fish. I know that it is said on behalf of the fish trade that our men are not supplying exactly the fish they want, that there is an increase in the extra small haddocks, whereas the large haddocks are diminishing. In that case, the remedy lies entirely in our own hands. We can make the mesh of the net larger, and I think that regulations ought to be introduced to that effect so that there will not be the same proportions of small fish. In that way, we would prevent any fear of a depletion of the fishings in future. With regard to the Danish fish, the opinion is fairly unanimous in Aberdeen that an increased tariff should be placed upon it. The fish which we have from Iceland, which is largely cod, is for the export trade. Three-quarters of this fish is sold to the fish curers for export. All this export trade was formerly in the hands of Norway and was sent to South America and the Latin Republics there, and they had complete command of the market. Through improved processes of drying, suited to the climatic conditions we have managed to capture these markets and now we have Brazil, the Argentine, Chile and Peru, and in Europe, Spain, Portugal and Greece. This fish-curing industry gives employment to something like 5,000 men in Aberdeen and something like £400,000 is paid in wages in a year. We have to consider this from the point of view of employment. There are large buildings there and subsidiary industries are carried on such as fish-meal and box-making, and others. I do not think these two things are irreconcilable. If an increased tariff is put on foreign fish we can have a drawback on the export fish which is to go to South America and elsewhere. This drawback has been applied for, and is still under consideration. There is no reason to stop the question of a tariff on Danish fish on that account. With regard to German trawlers which are coming in, we would naturally prefer British trawlers. Some mention has been made of Hull, and it was said that one of our prominent export fish-curers owned trawlers which were working from Hull. I understand that is the case. The trawlers were built in Aberdeen and are now worked from Hull. We would naturally be anxious that these trawlers should come to Aberdeen, but the objection is made on the part of the skippers that the crews belong to Hull and it would not pay them to come to Aberdeen when there are curing works in Hull. Then there is the question whether in Aberdeen we could manage to float a company sufficient to undertake the Iceland waters. That would be the most satisfactory thing, and I hope in time it may be done. In the past that has been tried. This is a very bad time in the present depression. Capital is short and both fish-curers and trawler-owners are in debt to the banks, and the question of getting capital is certainly a difficult problem. It must be remembered that it costs something like £15,000 to build a trawler which could fish the Iceland waters. There was a scheme to build 50 such trawlers at £15,000 each. The question is one which is bound to come up before long. There are other questions which concern the fishing industry which, I think, we ought to take into consideration. The question of reorganising marketing has been mentioned in the report of the Fisheries Committee. The question also of rebuilding our trawlers is bound to be raised in time. There is no doubt that, as far as the trawlers in Aberdeen are concerned, 50 per cent, of them are obsolete. A great many date from before the War. It is impossible to expect us to be able to compete with the trawlers which are being built abroad unless we can manage to build at home. At present there are no trawlers being built. We know that foreign Governments are building new motor trawlers with Diesel engines, of 300 tons, very fast and economical to work and with brine-freezing apparatus. Brine freezing will be a very important thing in future. It is being studied in Aberdeen and is practised elsewhere, particularly abroad, but it is a costly thing to put into a ship. It means that fish can be preserved for something like three months and remain quite fresh. I have tasted fish which has been kept three months in this way, and I should never have known that it was not freshly caught. Brine-freezing would be a matter of very great importance in connection with Iceland fisheries. It would mean that fish caught within the first five days could be kept fresh. As things stand at present that fish is useless for anything except fish manure, and it is sold for about £1 a ton, whereas if it were kept fresh it might be sold at £20 a ton. The installation of brine-freezing might revolutionise the catching of fish. There is no doubt that foreign trawlers are being installed with it now, and what we want is some help in the matter, when capital is so difficult to get. The Government has been guaranteeing loans for Austria and giving, through the banks, credit to farmers, and I hope that consideration will be given to the question of credits to fishermen. We want to do what we can for the primary industries, particularly for fishing, where it is not only a question of the food but of the defence of the country. It is a difficult time just now when many people who were eating fish before are not doing so now. We want to increase the demand. Through the unemployed a certain amount can be done, and that has been suggested already. I hope we can do something on the lines suggested by the hon. Member for East Aberdeen (Mr. Boothby), something through the Army, Navy and Air Force, by including either fried fish or herrings, or whatever it may be, in their rations. That is a matter which should be considered. Then the public authorities, too, might be encouraged in hospitals and elsewhere to supply more fish than they do. Home-killed meat is dear, but home fish is not, and an increase in the demand in that direction might do a great deal to help our fisheries. I think I have dealt with my main points which have not been touched upon by other speakers and I do hope that something will be done by the Government for the improvement of fisheries—something along the lines recommended by the committee which recently reported. I feel that with an industry such as this, on which so many men are dependent, we ought to do what we can to insure a livelihood for the fishermen on our coasts.

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It was only in 1922 that Parliament decided that out of national taxation we should contribute to Empire settlement. I have often heard the Overseas Settlement Committee attacked in the House. That body was included as the machinery under the Act of 1922, and it has been a wonderful machine. Everything that the hon. Member for Windsor has said as to the committees that had been set up, the work of the voluntary societies, the agreements that have been arrived at, the regulations that have been made, the convenience of migrants, the aftercare of the settlers, have all been arranged under the wise guidance of the Overseas Settlement Committee in this country. I think they deserve a tribute for the way in which they have knitted together this country and the Dominions; they have succeeded as no other body in this country has done. But this principle is set aside in this Bill, and we have to find all the money for both home and Empire settlement. I do not know of a committee which has gone into the question of migration which has recommended the waiving of the fifty-fifty principle entirely in Empire settlement. Even the Economic Committee on Migration, which sat for many months, and reported in 1931, said they favoured the retention of the fifty-fifty principle except for passages and equipment carried out by voluntary societies. I have always objected to setting aside entirely the fifty-fifty principle. If the Dominions are to take what has been described as "the pick of the basket" from this country, select our best men and women for the Dominions, they must do something to assist. At the same time I have no objection to this matter being further examined. What is the position to-day? It is no use hiding our heads in the sand. Nothing much is likely to be done in the matter of migration to the Dominions for many years to come. I think the observations of the Chancellor of the Exchequer as to the position of unemployment in 10 years' time might be applied quite easily to the case of migration. Canada has considerable unemployment and no desire for immigrants, and the same observation applies to Australia—those already settled in Australia encounter many difficulties—and New Zealand has not for runny years been welcoming people from this country. We heard from the Secretary of State for the Dominions the other day that, unfortunately, we had reached such a state of affairs that there was a balance of 26,034 persons who had returned to this country from the Dominions. We have experienced nothing like that for many years, and I do not want to see that state of affairs continue. At the same time I know that there are many more of our people in the Dominions who would like to return here if they had the facilities to do so, though I agree, also, that if only conditions in the Dominions were better there are many people in this country who would like to go out. I doubt, however, whether there will ever be the same necessity for human labour overseas as there has been in the past. With the mechanisation of agriculture in Canada they will not need the same number of people. Moreover, there is this other point, which was noted by the Economic Advisory Committee.. When economic conditions do improve, it may be that it will not then be to our economic advantage to encourage our people to go overseas and to spend money on assisting to send them. In fact, the question is so far one for the future that it is not of immediate moment. At the same time, as I have said, I have no objection to inquiries being undertaken, and if possible I would like steps to be taken to lay down the procedure for the future. The main provision of this Bill deals with a matter which has largely been left out of consideration up to now, and that is settlement on the land at home. I very much agree with the waiving of the fifty-fifty principle in that connection, and support the Bill entirely so far as that is concerned. I have no objection to a board being set up to deal with this side of the problem, and I must add that it is very refreshing to note the inconsistencies of Members of Parliament. They object to Socialism, and would vote against the principles of the Labour party, but they come here to-day to ask us to agree to the setting up of a national board controlled by a Government Department and with a Secretary of State and with every penny Of the money derived from national taxation. I would like to see that principle extended in many other directions, but I am astonished, when I read the names on the back of the Bill, to see that some of the Tories have approved such a principle. I suppose that when it is a question of applying their own particular nostrum they are prepared to accept other opinions. I believe the driving power of a board would be required to deal with this problem, and I welcome the idea, and would like to see the Government accept the Bill. I would like to see that part of it providing for the settlement of people on the land at home carried into law. We have more than 3,000,000 unemployed in this country, and there is no possible hope for them to get back to work. Under the present system, it is impossible, I am sure, for this or any other Government to find work for the whole of the unemployed. It will be noted that I say "under the present system". Yesterday the Minister of Labour, in answer to a question by the hon. Member for Wigan (Mr. Parkinson) inquiring the number of miners out of work in 1930, 1931 and 1932 gave these figures: 1930, 219,230; 1931, 297,624; and 1932, 355,325. That is an increase of nearly 140,000 unemployed in the mining industry, and there seems to be no possibility of those men ever finding work again in their own industry. Many of them have a connection with the land, because their forbears came from the land, and they would welcome any opportunity which would guarantee them the possibility of earning a livelihood on the land. The Labour party have urged on this House scores of times the need to settle our people on the land at home, and I have heard the right hon. Member for Carnarvon Boroughs (Mr. Lloyd George) advocating the same thing on many occasions recently. When we remember that we have to purchase two-thirds of our food supplies from overseas it is time we did give consideration to the question of putting our own people to work to produce food in this country, and we support the Bill in the hope that something may be done along those lines. The late Labour Government passed a Land Settlement Bill which was designed to place thousands of unemployed on the land, after proper training, and with equipment. We also passed an Agricultural Marketing Bill. if we are to place more men and their families on the land we shall need more houses, mote cooperation among those who are settled on the land and means provided for them to market their produce. There is no reason, in my opinion, why we could not double the production of our food supplies. We have, adjacent to large towns, thousand of acres of land which are now idle, and they are near to the very best markets if only the people could be got on the land, and, as has been said by the mover of this Bill, English land is as good as any land in Europe: I ask, therefore, why are there so many unemployed and so much idle land, and nothing is done? Here is the opportunity for a Bill to be considered in Committee, and perhaps something done to settle thousands of our people on the land at home. I am not going to deal with the cost. There is a provision in the Bill as to how far it is possible to go, and I would support that, because I believe we must make a beginning. But I may point out that we have paid out since the War more than £1,000,000,000 in unemployment benefit and on relief schemes. I ask, would it not be better to use the money in the future to provide suitable work at least for many thousands? If we could settle people on the land at home, it would give a fillip to many other industries, and it would increase the purchasing power for all kinds of manufactured goods of which we make the best in this country. I do not suggest that we are going to cure unemployment, but it would do something to help a great number if the subject were tackled courageously by bringing idle lands into use for idle hands to produce more of the necessities of life at home, and to give to these unemployed a real and an active interest in life. I support this Bill, and hope that we shall have an opportunity of considering it in Committee and making it still better, if it is possible, by amendment. As far as the second part of the Bill is concerned, I believe it is an immediate possibility, and we should see that there is an opportunity provided for the settlement of thousands of unemployed who are anxious for the opportunity to earn their livelihood, and who will take advantage of it if such an opportunity is given.

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Would it not be cheaper to subsidise the companies who are making these engines instead of paying the dole?

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Oral Answers to Questions — TRADE AND COMMERCE. — SOUTH AMERICAN STATES (DISPUTES).

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It is difficult within the scope of an oral reply to give the hon. Member full details as to the present position in these two disputes. Briefly, the facts are as follow: In the case of the dispute between Bolivia and Paraguay, fighting in the Chaco territory, the sovereignty over which has been in doubt for many years, brake out in June last. Efforts have been made by the Conference of Neutrals at Washington, by the neighbouring Powers, and by the League of Nations to effect a settlement. Unfortunately no success has attended these efforts so far, but fresh proposals are now, it is understood, under consideration between the Governments of the neighbouring countries. As regards the case of Peru and Colombia, Leticia and Tarapaca, places in the territory ceded to Colombia by the 1922 treaty between those two countries, were occupied by Peruvian civilians from the Department of Loreto in September last. Tarapaca was retaken by a Colombian naval expedition on the 15th of February. No serious hostilities appear to have occurred since then, though diplomatic relations between the two countries have been broken off. The Colombian Government have referred the whole question to the League of Nations under the terms of Article XV, and the Council of the League has requested a small committee to endeavour, in collaboration with the representatives of the two parties, to effect a settlement by conciliation in accordance with paragraph 3 of the above-mentioned Article.

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Oral Answers to Questions — AGRICULTURE. — MILK REORGANISATION COMMISSION.

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asked the Minister of Agriculture whether the Government propose to adopt the recommendations of the Milk Reorganisation Commission; what legislation will be required; and whether that legislation will be enacted before August when negotiations between producers and distributors must take place?

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Oral Answers to Questions — POST OFFICE. — HOUSING (RURAL WORKERS) ACT.

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Does the Ministry not think that the time has come when a conference of the leading county councils and other housing authorities should be summoned in order to help forward the use of this Act?

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Certainly, but not the experts who are officials of the Department and Government servants.

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Mr. MANDER

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Surely, if the Government are really serious in the matter they might consider placing at the disposal of Members facilities for discussing their plans with experts?

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Oral Answers to Questions — UNEMPLOYMENT. — INCOME TAX (CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETIES).

Sir W. DAVISON

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Will my hon. Friend say whether there is any precedent for a report of a committee of this kind being secretly communicated, before submission to this House and the public, to one of the interested parties; and is he aware that the "Daily Herald" had an article on Friday last stating that they had seen the report and that it was not satisfactory to the cooperative societies?

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Oral Answers to Questions — UNEMPLOYMENT. — LAPSED INSURANCE POLICIES.

Mr. HORE-BELISHA

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I would refer the hon. Member to the answer given to the hon. Baronet the Member for Newcastle-upon-Tyne, East (Sir R. Aske) on 20th December last.

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Oral Answers to Questions — UNEMPLOYMENT. — LAPSED INSURANCE POLICIES.

Mr. WILLIAMS

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In view of the fact that insurance workers are on strike as a protest against the attitude of the insurance company, what action, if any, are the Treasury likely to take to help these poor policy-holders?

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Mr. SPEAKER

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I have often known of hon. Members who had questions on the Paper being absent on a Monday.

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Orders of the Day — SUPPLY.

Mr. LANSBURY

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It is very difficult, on a subject like this, to deal with a running fire of commentary by hon. and right hon. Members. Returning to the statement I made, I really cannot see that there is anything extraordinary about it. It was that the people of the United States and the United States Government would make their own decision in this matter, and I have no doubt that they will make it on right lines. I do not think that they will want to import arms into Japan, any more than I hope our Government will, but I am asking this afternoon, quite definitely, that the Government shall prohibit the export of arms to Japan. I am asking that they shall use the power which the Order-in-Council passed in May, 1931, gives them of holding up the export licences. It will not need any Act of Parliament. They have power at the moment either to grant the licence or to withhold it. We also ask that there shall be an embargo on finance and credit. We believe that if these two things were done, then neither Japan nor any other Government could carry on a war. It is said, "Why should we do this alone?" It is said by some people, "Well, if you do it, the Japanese, contrary to your belief, will have power to continue fighting against the Chinese, or, alternatively, if we do not export arms, other nations will, and if we do not allow our factories to work for the supply of these weapons of destruction, other nations will garner a very rich harvest." I have heard that argument a good many times, but I should like to put it to the House that it is a very unworthy argument indeed, and one for which we, at least, ought not to stand. If a thing is right, it is right; if a thing is wrong, it is wrong. Here is Japan brought to the bar of the greatest court in the world, and found guilty, not by people without experience, but by the statesmen of the world, and we ask that, instead of our Government waiting, they should take action now, and say that from this country no arms of any kind should go—

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Well, it is a document which has been referred to in periodicals of some substance and some authority, but if it has been repudiated I am not concerned to develop the point.

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I merely refer to it because it was said to have been presented in the year 1927 and the speech made by the right hon. Gentleman the Member for West Birmingham as Foreign Secretary to which I have already referred was delivered some 12 months later. Whether the document was authentic or not I would like hon. Members to observe its proposals and to note how extraordinarily close to the proposals in that alleged document have been the developments in Manchuria and that part of the world. Whoever conceived the document, whether it was General Tanaka or not, this is quite certain—that the author of that docu ment anticipated with extraordinary clarity, the development of events in Manchuria and Mongolia. It is therefore, shall we say, a striking coincidence that fact has been so closely associated with alleged fiction. We come to-night to discuss our own attitude in regard to this business, and I am bound to say again that one is entirely in accord with the deserved tributes of admiration which have been paid to Lord Lytton and his fellow members of the Commission for a document which, whatever may happen as a consequence of it, will undoubtedly remain one of the great documents of history. The "Times" newspaper referred to it as a document worthy of the closest study, and the League's Draft Report issued unanimously by the Committee of Nineteen is based largely, indeed almost entirely, on considerations arising from the Lytton Report. I think it was quite right to describe that Report as it has been described as a temperate, just and well-considered document. The Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, who I am sorry has been obliged to leave the Committee—I do not make any complain at all upon that score—seemed to invite the Commitee to take the view that he had taken a consistent attitude throughout in regard to this problem. I do not know what the right hon. and learned Gentleman has been doing in private, but I do know what he has been doing in public, and I recall to the Committee the simple fact that when the Foreign Secretary spoke at Geneva on the Lytton Report the greater part of his speech was devoted, not to an examination of Japan's activities, but to an examination of Chinese demerits. So satisfactory was the speech of the Foreign Secretary to the Japanese delegate at Geneva that that gentleman said that the British Foreign Secretary had stated the Japanese case more completely in three-quarters of an hour than he had been able to do in eight days.

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